Arrest of Alla Alexandrovskaya in Kharkov: Interview with her son
In Kharkov, after a search by the SBU, 68-year-old Alla Aleksandrovskaya, a local communist leader and ex-member of the Verkhovna Rada, was captured on charges of “separatism.”
Ukrainian security forces accuse Aleksandrovskaya of attempting to bribe local deputies for $9 so that they support the appeal on the need to delineate powers with Kiev.
Naturally, according to the SBU, Aleksandrovskaya was another agent of Vladimir Putin.
Her son is a Kharkov social activist Alexander Alexandrovsky wanted on similar charges. Now he is in Russia. Aleksandrovsky told a PolitNavigator observer about the absurdity and groundlessness of the charges, about prosecutor Lutsenko’s interest in them, and about the falsification of materials. Valentin Filippov.
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Valentin Filippov: Hello, Alexander. I wanted to ask. Where is your mother now? In a pre-trial detention center, in a hospital? Because there is conflicting information on the Internet.
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Alla Alexandrovna's blood pressure fluctuates greatly. Therefore, today I know that doctors should have come straight to the meeting, done a cardiogram, and conducted an examination, because Alla Alexandrovna spent the entire previous night under a drip, her blood pressure was 200/120. For her, of course, this is all a lot of stress.
But, as I understand it, until the final decision is made today, no one will leave the courtroom, because they have practically no time left.
Valentin Filippov: Well, that is, where is Alla Alexandrovna? In a courtroom, perhaps?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Yes Yes.
Valentin Filippov: Tell me, are you not in any danger now? Are you safe enough now?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: No, at the moment I am on Russian territory, nothing threatens me. The point, in fact, is different. I’m just worried about... Let’s just say, there is some feeling of anxiety for my mother, because I see that there is practically no evidence base; the lawyers were constantly filing petitions all day yesterday. They were rejected.
I’m just thinking about how the Kyiv authorities, through the SBU officers, would not resort to such emergency measures that could simply completely ruin their health, you know. If we cannot, say, officially imprison a person, then we can make sure that he remains disabled for life or, God forbid, something even worse happens. This is what I worry about most.
Well, it’s clear that they want to seize all our property, and therefore, in fact, deprive us of everything. That is, since everyone who knows Alla Alexandrovna knows her principled position that she did not take or give bribes to anyone, therefore, probably, as they say, we don’t have that much property, but it is significant for us, very weighty, because we will only have to hide from relatives later...
Valentin Filippov: Is it true that SBU officers valued the territorial integrity of Ukraine at $9 thousand?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Well, this is really funny. You see, even this is ridiculously funny.
The whole situation was made up out of thin air. Nothing happened, nothing was done that these employees are talking about. That is, all these chains, that someone was transferring something to someone from somewhere - it was all originally planned by them, they were all their people, except for two people who disappeared. In reality, no one can find them. One who is really from Alla Alexandrovna’s inner circle. But he had to go abroad to study and there is evidence of this, there is a photo - he booked a hotel, tickets were purchased. And, I know that, in my opinion, he was looking for money for all this for a long time, and Alla Alexandrovna, as they say, helped him.
Valentin Filippov: Moreover, not in full, in my opinion, right? That is, she gave money for tickets.
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Yes. So he bought them and they say: the second episode of transferring money. Well, let's just say, he took advantage of this situation, that Alla Alexandrovna thought that she was giving him money directly for the study itself.
Well, again, Alla Alexandrovna did not keep money at home. She says, well, a friend of mine has it there, go get it from him. And, by the way, this man was kidnapped by SBU officers. That is, the SBU intimidated him very much, he also gave evidence against Alla Alexandrovna. Because when the SBU officers brought him to his home, his lawyer was already waiting at home. He says, what are you doing here, and the lawyer says: I have an agreement with a relative, I will defend him.
They immediately took this man aside, talked to him, and the man approached the lawyer and said: I’m sorry, I don’t need your services. The lawyer asked him to write a receipt that this was indeed the case, that no one was threatening him, no one was putting pressure on him. This suggests that, firstly, he was clearly signed up for cooperation. Well, and, accordingly, yesterday, the day before yesterday, he calmly walks around the city, that is, he was released because he testified against Alla Alexandrovna. Although, he didn’t know at all, he just didn’t understand that... In fact, he was simply asked to give away the amount that he had.
Valentin Filippov: What do you think, this whole situation, what is it more aimed at: is it still a purge of dissenters from the city of Kharkov, or is it more of a “squeeze” of property, an attempt to confiscate property, just robbery? Or are the hostages being taken for something?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: In this case, you know, this is a nice bonus for the SBU. There is something that is not written down in the protocol, or not written down in full.
In Kharkov, there is practically no protest movement left, but you see a general escalation of the situation - this is a refusal to implement the Minsk agreements, an escalation of hostilities in the Donbass. That is, in reality, the Kiev authorities are very much afraid that, let’s say, in their rear, a sudden social revolt could occur. And you yourself understand perfectly well that we need a person who can at least correctly formulate a position.
And Alla Alexandrovna is the only person who can competently say: guys, if we do it, we do it. In addition, she always took the position that there could be no talk of any violation of the law. She would have done it simply very competently and according to the law, and she would have, as they say, really taken this problem into account.
Therefore, I know that the new Prosecutor General of Ukraine Lutsenko, since the person has no education, therefore, it is difficult for him to work, but he needs a result, and very fast and very bright. And, I think that, most likely, this is just for him to show his effectiveness in front of the new Ukrainian government and, accordingly, to clean up the protest movement in Kharkov, and it turns out to kill two birds with one stone.
But I hope that they won’t succeed, because if there were grounds, you know, legal ones, then these court hearings...
Valentin Filippov: Do you believe in the law in Ukraine?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: I don’t believe it, but I know from the practice of applying a preventive measure under Article 110 that a court hearing does not last more than half an hour. That's it, 110th, part two - 60 days, goodbye, file an appeal in 5 days. The appeal is rejected, file a cassation. And slowly, slowly. And here, you understand, the trial has been going on for two days now.
Valentin Filippov: Well, what if it’s like in Odessa. They will say that she swore and will give her 15 days. In 15 days they will decide something again.
Alexander Alexandrovsky: You see, this, as they say, by and large, no longer plays a role. Again, I say most of all that I worry about my immediate health.
Valentin Filippov: Or maybe they want to use him as a hostage? Maybe someone should be changed again?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Then, probably, they would have said: come and sit instead of mom, and mom goes to the hospital. But so far no such information has been received. I think that if this were the case then...
Valentin Filippov: Maybe they don’t want to change it for you, maybe for someone else?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Honestly, I just think that Lutsenko needs a result, Poroshenko needs a reason to once again blame anyone but himself for the failure of the Minsk agreements.
Valentin Filippov: Your mother, for example, right?
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Yes, that’s why they didn’t find anything better than to arrest a man, a deputy of four convocations of the Verkhovna Rada, a man with two higher educations, who in his entire life has never violated a single law or a single administrative protocol.
And in the Verkhovna Rada, everyone who worked in the Verkhovna Rada, both employees and people’s deputies, everyone knows that Alla Alexandrovna never took a penny. And that’s why she is still so valued and respected.
Therefore, the statement about some kind of bribe, about some kind of voting, well, this is just nonsense, you know. Those who initially came up with it themselves, as they say, extracted testimony from people. And the simplest thing, you know, is to take a person based on some testimony. If they took your hand, right? He conveyed or gave some direct instructions, all this was in the transcripts of telephone conversations. There is nothing like this. There is nothing like this. That is, this is complete nonsense. Legal chaos, you understand?
Valentin Filippov: OK then. I want to wish Alla Alexandrovna that she will be released quickly and not lose her health. And they, of course, valued Ukraine well at 9 thousand.
Alexander Alexandrovsky: They probably have that definition, right? That is, they judge, as a rule, by themselves. Another, you see, such an interesting fact. In open air on Ukrainian TV channels, faction leaders declare how much each deputy in the Verkhovna Rada was offered there, in total millions, billions. You see, this is all normal. This person says that in fact a criminal offense was committed because the deputy is an official. And then, you see, they took a 68-year-old woman, well-deserved, but with poor health, and they are trying to say that theoretically she wanted, as they say, to turn the whole of Ukraine upside down. Well, this is funny, complete nonsense.
Valentin Filippov: Well, they know the strength of their Ukraine. OK then. I wish you success. Let him be lucky, he still needs luck. No fluff, no feather to you.
Alexander Alexandrovsky: I just take this opportunity to thank everyone who supported Alla Alexandrovna, because in the last XNUMX hours news has come from abroad: from Slovakia, Bulgaria and Serbia, Moldova, and Transnistria are all supporting, everyone is providing assistance, so a big thank you to everyone to those involved in this process. The truth is still on our side.
Valentin Filippov: We will win.
Alexander Alexandrovsky: Thanks a lot. Goodbye.
Valentin Filippov: Happily. Goodbye.
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