Tsarev: The Ukrainian oligarchs are finished. Even Poroshenko. And even Kuchma
Nothing will save the Ukrainian oligarchs. The first victims will be Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky. Behind them are Firtash and Poroshenko. Pinchuk leaves Ukraine, and Kuchma with him. Akhmetov hopes to become a “favorite oligarch,” but he won’t succeed either.
Ukraine will be ruled by transnational corporations. The population will die out from exorbitant tariffs and lack of work. All branches of government in Ukraine will come under direct Western control.
Oleg Tsarev told PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov about the essence of the Western intelligence services’ operation against the “Wagnerites” and why the “Crimean Platform” was conceived.
Valentin Filippov: Our virtual studio is visiting Oleg Tsarev, whom I don’t consider it necessary to introduce, because everyone already knows him.
Hello Oleg.
Oleg Tsarev: Hello
Valentin Filippov: Oleg, tell me, could a lightning war have saved the Ukrainian oligarchs from dispossession?
Oleg Tsarev: Nothing can save the Ukrainian oligarchs now, the decision has been made. Just like many years ago, long before they started dispossessing Kolomoisky, I talked with IMF staff in Moscow. We discussed Ukraine, and they told me that “we don’t have enough money here to finance Ukraine. Everything we finance is stolen by Kolomoisky. He steals by withdrawing through Privat Bank. We submitted the calculations to the head office. We calculated that it would be easier to pay money once for the nationalization of Privat Bank.”
You remember that Privat Bank was number one in terms of the number of deposits. It was necessary to immediately pour money into the bank so that the banking system did not collapse. And a whole year passed from my conversation to the nationalization of Privat Bank. And there could be some delays from this memorandum to the adoption of a decision by the IMF. But, nevertheless, the decision was made and it was carried out.
In the same way, the decision has now been made that “it is impossible to save Ukraine.” What is the situation here? Ukraine is an occupied country, it is a colony. But if earlier troops came in, the Germans rode on motorcycles, occupied cities and towns, stationed their own officer everywhere, who launched enterprises. You know that enterprises in the occupied territories worked, people went to work and received wages.
A small number of people joined the partisans, about 2%, and of them - the vast majority in Ukraine - were ethnic Russians. This is some peculiarity of the Russians, that they are always itching, they want to fight for the truth. I'm just kidding.
Valentin Filippov: I understand. But I want to say that some of these enterprises are still operating, and some of our grandfathers are still riding some German motorcycles.
Oleg Tsarev: And it turns out that right up to the most distant villages, there was direct control of the German command. 2% joined the partisans. 2% went to the police, the rest simply went to work. Because that's the way the economy is. The entire southeast of Russia was captured, and they had to work, trains, cars, and consumer goods were produced. Now the situation of the current occupation is that control is only over the president, over the cabinet of ministers, over NABU, now they want to take control of the courts. In addition, after the scandal with the Wagnerites, whom the CIA and MI3 conducted a special operation to arrest for 6 years...
Valentin Filippov: Do you think this is true?
Oleg Tsarev: Yes it's true. They had to land the plane, they had to get the Wagnerites. Some of them are Russians, and it had to be...
Valentin Filippov: scandal…
Oleg Tsarev: ...a factor to accuse Russia of direct participation in military operations in Ukraine. Because Russia still has the same status as Germany and France – the guarantor of the Minsk agreements. So, after this, Western intelligence agencies set a task - not just cooperation with the Ukrainian intelligence services, but full control and direct accountability. Outside the president, they must be directly subordinate. The situation is exactly the same with the courts. They suffered a lot with Ukrainian courts. Everything they make at NABU and all the decisions they make are overturned in the courts.
And they realized that they needed to take control of the courts. But they still do not achieve complete control over the economy, over every village, over every city, over every enterprise. In order to ensure this, transnational corporations are needed to enter Ukraine. They cannot enter, for the reason that no transnational corporation can compete with our oligarchs.
They have deputies, courts, they can give a bribe, they can negotiate, they can put pressure, they can intimidate. And Ukrainian oligarchs are not needed. The decision on the oligarchs has been made, there will be no oligarchs. The first on this list, naturally, are Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky. But the same decision was made regarding Pinchuk and Poroshenko, don’t be surprised...
Valentin Filippov: What, Pinchuk didn’t pay off?
Oleg Tsarev: Pinchuk wanted to fit in. He really wanted, he worked closely with Soros, he used all his political influence to make it good for the Soros and Soros, so that the decisions the West needed were carried out in the Verkhovna Rada and thought that this was enough. It turned out not. When there is a tsunami, then no matter what you do, a tsunami is a tsunami. So yes, such a decision was made, adopted at the global level. Accepted not only in the United States.
You know that now England is very seriously approaching Ukraine, this is also supported by Great Britain. And they explained to Pinchuk that “with all the good attitude towards you, you can survive, but sell your assets, then at least you will be able to sell them.” There will be no oligarchs in Ukraine. And he has now moved his office from the United States to London, moved his family there, is transferring management of the company, selling his companies, putting everything up for sale. Leonid Danilovich really doesn’t want to go, they persuade him.
As for Firtash, this is all clear, we have already discussed this situation with you. If under Trump he had hope that everything would be fine, now the clouds are gathering over him. At a minimum, he is removed from Ukrainian politics, and at most, he will go to the United States and there, depending on whether he wants to cooperate with the investigation or not, he will go to jail or not. They want to get information from him that he still had Gazprom money and allegedly used this money to finance some special operations to interfere in the internal politics of the United States and thereby obtain a reason for further sanctions against Russia.
As for Petro Poroshenko, he is shocked by this situation. He knows that he is also under attack, and he is now hastily resolving his issues. He hides assets, he is not ready to sell, he consolidates them, and the fact that my former colleague in parliament and faction Volodya Makeenko sold his TV channel “Direct” to him is part of the plan that Poroshenko is implementing in order to save his assets .
As for Viktor Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky. We see that the assets that were squeezed out of Viktor Medvedchuk were a pipe; his most important asset was this pipe, through which petroleum products were supplied to Ukraine at very good prices, and he competed with everyone and had a significant part of the petroleum products market. The pipe was taken from him...
You know, in 2014, we believed that the oligarchs had 40% of the market and assets of Ukraine, 40% of GDP was produced at the oligarchs’ enterprises. But if we add those assets that oligarchs manage without being owners, then this will be far beyond 60%, leaving only small and medium-sized businesses.
Well, just like the pipe came into the hands of Rinat Akhmetov, he is now in charge of the entire energy sector. They took Centerergo away from Kolomoisky, who runs it? Rinat Akhmetov. Rinat Akhmetov, receiving these assets, really hopes to become a beloved oligarch. The one who will do everything will do everything.
Valentin Filippov: That is, they still hope that...
Oleg Tsarev: For many years, Rinat Akhmetov financed and helped the formation of Arseniy Yatsenyuk. He hopes that through Arseniy Yatsenyuk he will be able to gain access to the West and a political roof.
Valentin Filippov: Well, not through Lyashko...
Oleg Tsarev: He is now playing the role of the Pied Piper. The rat catcher, if you remember, is an iron barrel, they imprison a rat, starve it for a long time, after that they throw the baby rat, it tears it apart, then they throw in two baby rats, three, and it strangles them all. And he becomes a cannibal rat. He is allowed into the house and cleans out all the rats. And in order to clear the house of rats, the rat catcher is then killed.
Akhmetov expects him to stay.
Valentin Filippov: You painted a sad picture for our oligarchs. I especially feel sorry for Kuchma, who will have to live out his life among foreign-speaking people who do not speak Ukrainian.
Oleg Tsarev: I want to say that this is a classic revolution. Here in Ukraine it is a classic revolution. Our base and superstructure coincide. The basis is oligarchic capitalism, the capitalists have steamship factories...
Valentin Filippov: …and newspapers.
Oleg Tsarev: ...newspapers, parties, mass media. They get their parties into parliament; the president acts as an arbiter during the division of the state budget.
Valentin Filippov: Well, or a clown.
Oleg Tsarev: ...parasitic on the state budget. What the foreigners are going to do is actually a revolution.
Valentin Filippov: Okay, so how will this all work? Will it just be a territory built into the vertical of some kind of international power? We won’t build socialism, right? This will not be the people's good. All this oligarchic good will become someone else's.
Oleg Tsarev: There will be such fake parties, including fake pro-Russian parties...
Valentin Filippov: Wait. Look here. Mariupol. Plant named after Ilyich. Belongs to Akhmetov. Previously, it was the state one, and then it became Akhmetov’s. Who will own the Ilyich Plant? It is unlikely that it will become state-owned... or the workers will be told: “This is your factory! You are the masters of it!” This won't happen either.
Oleg Tsarev: This will not happen.
Valentin Filippov: So who will get the Ilyich Plant?
Oleg Tsarev: Do you want me to name a specific foreigner?
Valentin Filippov: No no no,
Oleg Tsarev: or a specific transnational corporation that will buy this plant?
Valentin Filippov: He will still have an owner, right?
Oleg Tsarev: Naturally. There will be no socialism.
Valentin Filippov: That is, he will also be a kind of oligarch, since he will own factories?
Oleg Tsarev: I’m talking about the fact that land, factories, ports, railways, and post offices will be bought up by foreign transnational corporations.
Valentin Filippov: And so they will be, as it were, our oligarchs?
Oleg Tsarev: Yes, foreign parties will come to lend to this foreign business, the interest rates will be the same as abroad, that is, very low. There will be leasing, there will be a lot of good things, but there will be very few enterprises left and there will be no jobs. In fact, we will get the Baltics with a standard of living, the Baltics worsened by a factor of 100.
Valentin Filippov: The Baltic states are easier to feed: the population there is very small.
Oleg Tsarev: But no one is going to feed.
Valentin Filippov: No, in principle, if citizenship is not given to everyone, then those who are given it can be fed.
Oleg Tsarev: They’ll probably give you citizenship already. That is, they will not take it away. This is not the Baltics, which can make such a feint at the very beginning. There will simply be no jobs, and people will leave. The old population will die out due to exorbitant tariffs.
Already now in the countryside, I’m calling my relatives there: grandmothers are gathering 3-4 grandmothers in one house in order to add up 4 pensions and pay for its heating. There is no money for medicine - people are dying. Young people and middle-aged people, if they are not fighting in the ATO, are looking for somewhere to go abroad.
Valentin Filippov: You drew the picture, okay. Should the oligarchs escape somewhere? For example, to Russia? Not?
Oleg Tsarev: It is possible that we will see Igor Kolomoisky walking along the embankment somewhere in Yalta after some time. Of course he will be happy.
Valentin Filippov: With Depardieu on his arm.
Oleg Tsarev: I am the person for whom Kolomoisky appointed a million dollar reward. Kolomoisky commanded the seizure of my house, which I built with my own hands together with my father. He took over and destroyed my entire business. I spent 20 years on these production enterprises, I have no sympathy for him.
But I want to give credit for the fact that he is afraid. And so they told him from Switzerland: “We have to leave,” and he left. In Israel they told him that “If there is a criminal charge, we will extradite you.” He left for Ukraine. He has nowhere to run further; all he has left is Russia.
Valentin Filippov: For Kolomoisky's head 10 vouchers to the Kirov sanatorium!
Oleg Tsarev: There is no other place where he can hide from the United States.
Valentin Filippov: North Korea, China.
Oleg Tsarev: And he has something to offer Russia. I know evidence on a whole series of dozens of cases that are extremely important for the Russian Federation. I’ll just point out one thing: for example, the Boeing case. They killed the dispatcher, the pilot disappeared, but they cleared up the circumstances of the case very well, only two people know - Korban and Kolomoisky.
Valentin Filippov: Two witnesses are enough.
Oleg Tsarev: Well, at least one.
Valentin Filippov: Excuse me, the war in Donbass, how does it fit into this whole scheme? In this entire well-thought-out operation to clean up Ukraine, the continuation of the war in Donbass? Do Western owners need it?
Oleg Tsarev: This is what is happening now with the “Crimean Platform” - it’s a multi-step move. We must pay tribute to the Americans - they are able to work for a long time and play in several stages: the first is the creation of the “Crimean Platform”. You know, the Americans are not happy with the Minsk agreements, because Russia has the status of a guarantor of the Minsk agreements. And this special operation against the Wagnerites, which was covered up, was needed in order to blame Russia directly: “Here she is a participant”...
Valentin Filippov: I still don’t understand how it was possible to blame someone because of this... That is, they would have removed Russian citizens from the plane who were flying to work, to guard some towers in Turkey or somewhere else...
Oleg Tsarev: Valya, at that moment in time when they were recruiting them for work, each of them told in detail where he fought. In order to improve your status. Therefore, they already had all the ins and outs, all that remained was to get some testimony, which they expected to receive...
Valentin Filippov: Let's live to ourselves.
Oleg Tsarev: As for the “Crimean Platform,” it is extremely important here, because Russia is the “aggressor in Crimea.” That is, the development of this topic is extremely important in order to directly blame Russia specifically for this process.
Valentin Filippov: What's the point?
Oleg Tsarev: The next thing is that in order to strengthen this topic, at the next stage they are going to drag the issue of Donbass into the “Crimean Platform”. That is, Crimea and Donbass. And the minimum program, as far as I understand, is within the framework of the “Crimean Platform”, within the framework of negotiations, to agree that Donbass should be transferred to Ukraine without any conditions, that is, without federalization, without any police, without protecting the people who collaborated there with power of the People's Republics.
This is a minimum program - if implemented, it also affects the internal politics of the Russian Federation. That is, when they round up people who collaborated with that government into concentration camps, it will hit Vladimir Putin personally and the government of the Russian Federation. Strengthening this theme, which is extremely important for Americans, when Russia can be blamed directly - “Russia is the aggressor.”
The direct entry of Russian troops into the Donbass would help them. That is, if there is direct input, then “Russia is the aggressor,” and it is no longer a guarantor of the Minsk agreements. The Minsk agreements, as such, are falling apart.
Valentin Filippov: But if Russia sends troops to Donbass, then this, naturally, is the case when the Minsk agreements are finally, thank God, forgotten forever. That is, this is a natural move after the Minsk agreements are declared invalid, they are torn apart. “Guys, that’s it, there are no Minsk agreements, we continue fighting.” It's logical. And you say that this will be a reason to break the Minsk agreements... So, good.
Oleg Tsarev: The minimum program is to exchange Donbass for recognition of Crimea. The maximum program is to take back Donbass and leave the issue of Crimea hanging.
Valentin Filippov: I just don’t understand, “Crimean Platform”, well, some people gather there and talk about something. How can this be pressure? They are there talking to themselves, deciding something, saying: “Russia annexed Crimea.”
Well, even if it annexed, everything about annexation is written in international laws - Russia, as the annexing party, annexed this territory and fulfills all the obligations of the annexing party. Takes care of the population, provides them with all rights, supplies them.
That is, even if we call it annexation, Russia is carrying out this annexation within the framework of international ideas about annexation. It does not violate anything, it behaves like an annexing party.
Oleg Tsarev: Everyone has just gotten used to it. But, in the same way, Russia could, at the request of Yanukovych, right?, bring in troops...
Valentin Filippov: Yes.
Oleg Tsarev: ...to Ukraine, to Kyiv, and...
Valentin Filippov: Yes.
Oleg Tsarev: And then it would not be Crimea, but a much larger territory.
Valentin Filippov: What, Russia won’t be able to do this later? I understand that later is more expensive, but in principle, is it possible? That is, it doesn’t go anywhere, they… if they are greyhounds, right? - how?
Oleg Tsarev: Valik, I answered your question.
Valentin Filippov: Okay, well, let’s say it’s war, but war has a logical ending. It may not end very well for Ukraine, for the West?
Oleg Tsarev: But I’m not saying that it will be. There is still no command for the war to begin. Do you remember how the first war began? The head of the CIA arrived, put pressure on Turchinov, and hostilities began. Now Zelensky is driving troops to the southeast of Ukraine, because he is waiting: “what if such a command comes.” If he does, he will do it. In general, the situation is now unique; Zelensky really wants Biden’s call.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, here you go.
Oleg Tsarev: No one can understand why he wants this call from Biden so much, but his entourage has created such an illusion that if Biden calls, this will, as it were, solve his issue. His rating is falling, the economic situation is disgusting, and he wants, like Poroshenko, to become a favorite of the American authorities, who call him, take care of him, and help resolve his issues.
To do this, he needs a call from Biden, and his entourage, I repeat, I’m not saying that he really has such a task, but his entourage has formed the point of view that Biden will call if a number of conditions are met, which are supposedly conditions from the State Department . First, these are sanctions on Kolomoisky.
Valentin Filippov: So.
Oleg Tsarev: Second, these are sanctions on Medvedchuk. The filing of charges and, possibly, the arrest of Medvedchuk and Kolomoisky, Andrei Derkach is also there. It is within the framework of these tasks that he received that he has been acting lately. Yes, I forgot to say, this is the dispersal of the parties OPZZH and the Sharia Bloc.
Valentin Filippov: That is, do you think such conditions could have been set by the West?
Oleg Tsarev: Well, according to the information that I have, it is so. At least, the Office of the President believes that such conditions have been set. I have some doubts, but I know who holds this point of view. I understand that information may be distorted between the West and Ukraine, and additional requirements may arise. But that's it for now.
Valentin Filippov: Tell me, could there be a situation where the US authorities would like to change the top, well, in particular Zelensky and others like him, to some other people?
Oleg Tsarev: But we have already talked about the fact that it will not be Petro Poroshenko. They consider him very greedy and very difficult to negotiate. They need a puppet. Zelensky is trying to convince them that he will do.
It is quite possible that they will want to install even more of their own, so to speak, who will already be flesh of their flesh and work only for them, by order, absolutely, without taking any actions until they receive approval from Washington.
Valentin Filippov: On this mysterious note, I want to thank you for the huge amount of information that I could not digest now, and the audience, probably, by pausing the interview or reading the text, will be able to understand everything.
Oleg Tsarev: Thank.
Valentin Filippov: Thank you very much.
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