“What nonsense? We don’t need any landings in Kyiv!”
Former Verkhovna Rada deputy Vasily Volga I spent about a year in Moscow, after which I came to Ukraine for three weeks. The leader of the Union of Left Forces party told the observer about the mood in Kyiv and the provinces, the prospects for the regime of Petro Poroshenko PolitNavigator to Valentin Filippov. The dispute between the interlocutors was caused by Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s statement about the need for a landing on Kyiv to overthrow the nationalists. Volga considers such a scenario harmful - he assures that Ukrainians are capable of “getting over the disease,” and this is already happening.
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Valentin Filippov: Vasily, hello, glad to see you.
Vasily Volga: Good evening, or afternoon, or morning - when you show this, I am very glad to see you.
Valentin Filippov: Whenever we show it, it still depends on when the audience presses the “Play” button.
Our conversation coincided with the adoption of the law “on the restoration of Ukraine’s sovereignty over the territories of Donbass. Can we consider that the Verkhovna Rada, by this law, recognized all citizens who disagree with its policies as occupiers?
Vasily Volga: In accordance with this law, all dissidents, that is, those who do not think the way the comrades on Grushevsky, on Bankova want... so this law recognized everyone who thinks differently as at least collaborators.
The mildest form is collaborators, and so, these are occupiers, accomplices of the occupiers.
What they did is tragic. The Ukrainian parliament is a bunch of idiots; today they gave President Poroshenko the right to use the Armed Forces without the consent of the Ukrainian parliament against his own people on the territory of his own country.
There are no such cases of voting in states that consider themselves democratic, where there is a separation of powers into legislative, executive and judicial branches.
There is a UN Security Council resolution “On a peaceful settlement”, which approved the declaration of four presidents, which, by the way, was signed by Poroshenko. It assumed the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The OSCE Mission operates within the framework of the implementation of the Minsk agreements. Ukraine today said “We don’t care how you act there.” Or rather the Ukrainian parliament, I apologize.
Today it so happened that I ended up with Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky in the same studio.
He is, without a doubt, right that this step, which was taken today by the Ukrainian parliament, this step crosses out the very possibility of a peaceful settlement. This step cannot be regarded as anything other than a harbinger of large-scale military actions against Donbass.
But when Vladimir Volfovich proposes to act proactively, to land troops in Kyiv, to capture everyone, Poroshenko and the rest - in no case should you act like that.
What I'm talking about? I’m talking about the fact that in December a very large-scale sociological survey was conducted in Ukraine. Conducted jointly by “Deminitive” and the Razumkov Foundation. They showed that, in fact, 67% of Ukrainians want peace, some of them want peace through compromise, some of them want peace at any cost.
Valentin Filippov: But at any cost, it could be war.
Vasily Volga: No, no, well, we understand what we’re talking about! These are the people who said, “Look, stop everything. Start negotiations with Donbass. Do whatever you want. If necessary, draw a border between us and Donbass, just don’t let our guys die in this senseless war.”
Valentin Filippov: So what, 67% of the occupiers are already inside Kyiv or what?
Vasily Volga: Yes sir. This vote that took place today, I see a lot of interested parties here.
The first party that understands that there will be a reckoning very soon is Poroshenko. Poroshenko and his entire clique.
And in order to save oneself, in order to delay this reckoning, in order to create the most muddy and dangerous waters... Imagine if now an escalation begins in the Donbass, and the Ukrainian army, at the command of Poroshenko, in accordance with the voted law, goes on the attack...
Valentin Filippov: And he will suffer another victory.
Vasily Volga: I don’t even want to think about it now because Ukrainians will die - on both sides. Russians will die - both on one side and on the other. I don't even want to think about it.
Every person, politician, anyone, let him sacrifice his ratings to hell today, sacrifice anything, if he succeeds, if this confrontation is contained even for a day, to save at least one human life. It's not worth anything!
Neither these jokes, Valentin, nor teasing, to say the least, are not worth what could happen now in the east of Ukraine.
And I’ll tell you honestly, I’m waiting, I’m waiting very much, so I’m sitting and monitoring how these fucking European partners of ours will now react to what happened in Kyiv.
The Security Council resolution, I would like to remind you, mentions the declaration of four presidents. Where Poroshenko, the son of a bitch, put his signature on the fact that he will implement a set of measures provided for by the Minsk agreements. And this p..., and this person will now sign a law that is directly opposite. What to do with these signatures?
And so I’m wondering, is the UN Security Council going to urgently meet now to discuss what happened in Kyiv or not?
Valentin Filippov: No.
Vasily Volga: Exactly. Although I really hope so, I really hope so. I don't believe it, I don't want to believe it. You see, you and I have only two alternatives, Valentin. No jokes are inappropriate here. Two alternatives. Alternative one: a big agreement, that we sit down and come to an agreement. Or a big war.
Valentin Filippov: Well, in my opinion, today it was said quite clearly from Kyiv: “They don’t negotiate with the occupiers.”
Vasily Volga: That's why I say that I hope for the international community. That's why I say common sense...
Valentin Filippov: Yes, but it seems to me that even if the Kiev leadership is brought to the negotiating table, they will be forced to sit down...
Vasily Volga: Cross out the Kiev leadership from the negotiations, you can only talk to them through money. In fact, they have come close to applying sanctions, and personal sanctions, not against the people of Ukraine, but personal sanctions, when the sanctions will be directed against the capital of President Poroshenko, against the capital of the Minister of Internal Affairs Avakov and against their entire entourage.
When they begin to seize their capital abroad, when sanctions are imposed against those who personally help them in this chaos, then it will be...
Valentin Filippov: I once read letters from the Crimean Khan, he either wrote to the Turks or to the Russians: “I have absolutely nothing to live on, I’m afraid I won’t be able to keep my horde from raiding.” They say to him, “Well, let’s send you 300 rubles,” and the Turks too: “...we’ll throw some tugriks there.” He says, “Yes, well, I’ll probably hold it for a while.”
Vasily Volga: Do not overestimate the Turks, the Crimean Khanate and that... that dandruff, that evil spirits that has gathered today under the dome of the Verkhovna Rada. Who pressed these buttons today? to destroy the peace process, the peace process. They pressed buttons and each of them pressed several deaths? voluntarily killing a large number of people.
You can’t continue to pretend, I mean, your European colleagues, your American colleagues, you can’t continue to pretend to be a donkey, and, moreover, a blind donkey that doesn’t see anything.
Today, the Ukrainian authorities, with the hooting of President Poroshenko, demonstrated that they did not care about the entire system of international law.
I seriously hope that the international community will not give any hints about how Kyiv should act? will come to the point where it will take steps.
It’s impossible not to give loans to Ukraine now, Valentin, well, it’s impossible. People live there. And so the utilities are already prohibitive...
Valentin Filippov: Well, this is called tribute to the wild state!
Vasily Volga: It is necessary to take sanctions against a specific capitalist, looter, bastard. Against Poroshenko, against Kolomoisky, well? Kolomoisky has already escaped, caused trouble and escaped. Against Avakov, against the oligarchy, the nationalist, Nazi oligarchy that seized power in Ukraine. There are personal sanctions against them.
And then everything will begin to calm down and fall into place. This is the only direct path to resolving the issue in Donbass. Put these financial eggs in a vice, excuse me, and then you will get a peaceful solution.
Valentin Filippov: So far we have sanctions against Russia mainly.
Vasily Volga: I say again, I hope that now there will be nothing to answer, not in the UN Security Council...
Russia must immediately initiate a meeting of the UN Security Council so that, God forbid, a bad idea does not enter the head of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to launch a military operation in Donbass in accordance with the mandate he received.
Valentin Filippov: Many predicted that frost would hit at the end of January and the offensive would begin.
Vasily Volga: Valentin, what do forecasts have to do with it? What does this have to do with the chatter of all the analysts combined? We are talking about destinies, we are talking about the fate of the state, about peace or a big war. Let them predict whatever they want, it is necessary for all persons who have the opportunity to act to act in this situation.
Valentin Filippov: Fine. Well, let’s say we achieve some kind of peace now. And then what? There is no other way out - the same comrades are sitting in Kyiv...
Vasily Volga: There is a concept that sounds like “national reconciliation”. Through which Spain passed, through which Italy passed, through which Germany passed, through which Ireland and Great Britain pass now. What the United States went through, the whole world went through it sooner or later. Any war ends in peace.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, but this is if we abandon the misanthropic ideology when “not Ukrainian = not human,” let’s put it this way.
Vasily Volga: If you ask the question: “Should someone answer for what happened?” - without a doubt. Who should answer? The Nazis and those who fueled them, primarily the current leadership of Ukraine.
If the Nazis are supported by 10% today, then this is a big holiday for them.
If we impose international sanctions, sanctions against those people who are state criminals, who gained power in Ukraine through a coup d'etat, who then staged an unprecedented and unprecedented robbery, who pitted Ukrainians, Russians against each other, Ukrainians against each other in a bloody battle, these people will answer - then there will be national reconciliation against this background. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
I’m not talking about whether we need to reconcile with Poroshenko or whether we need to reconcile with those criminals who destroyed Ukraine and pitted Ukrainians against each other in a bloody battle, and forced Ukrainians to shoot at each other. That's not what I'm talking about.
What I'm saying is that if sanctions are introduced, if as a result these people get what they deserve, then we will sit down and talk to each other. Kyiv with Donbass, Lugansk with Kamenets-Podolsk. Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk will talk to Zhitomir, and we will talk.
Valentin Filippov: Here I remember Poroshenko with his “Their children will sit in basements, and ours will study in schools. This is how and only this way we will achieve peace.”
Vasily Volga: The Verkhovna Rada took, of course, a terrifying step. Terrifying. She gave this idiot powers, you know, to start like this with a click... it’s very dangerous.
Valentin Filippov: Well, maybe he's at least afraid of death. So you say, Zhirinovsky is talking nonsense. And if each of them really feels that now a landing force will jump out from under the dome and physically destroy...
Vasily Volga: Valentin, we don’t need any landings. Ukrainians are able to get over the disease. We are sick, this is a serious illness, this is a centuries-old illness that we are suffering from today. We are able to overcome the disease - the figure of 67% who want peace is a serious figure.
I was able to visit Ukraine and look at the situation, starting from Zaporozhye to Kamenets-Podolsk. And I see that in Zaporozhye, at least, huge centers of crystallization of common sense are being formed.
And now, I’ll say this by the way, here in Moscow, wow, how many of our heroes are sitting. Before Evgenia Markovna. And each of them roams around on television channels, and they all have become experts, no matter where you are. And yet they somehow adapted, they earn a penny there, they live there.
Listen, brothers. The situation in Ukraine is already changing seriously. The density of the Nazi crowd seriously disintegrated. People are starting to listen.
All the smart guys who are talking smart here on different TV channels should go to Ukraine and carry out this direct work on those centers for the crystallization of healthy meaning that are appearing in Ukraine.
And we don’t need any landings. What kind of nonsense is this?
Valentin Filippov: And I'll tell you. The fact is that those who could go and do work in Ukraine, those who are the most effective, already have several articles hanging on them. Just cross the border here.
Vasily Volga: To be clear, I don't mean these people. I myself spent a year in Moscow until a number of issues were resolved there. I'm talking specifically about those people... well, common sense exists... against whom criminal cases have not been brought. And so five thousand people are in prison today on political charges. It won't do any good if a person crosses the border and is immediately imprisoned. I'm talking about something else. I see a lot of people who can already return.
Because public opinion is already changing, because even today, look at the European Union, we had interesting negotiations there yesterday with De Linke, the Bundestag party... The European Union took under its patronage the case of Vasilets and Timonin, journalists who received nine years there. This is already happening, and these people in Kyiv don’t know what to do about it. This is a specific repression against journalists, against freedom of speech, the most terrible in the democratic sense of understanding. And here, when Europe took this matter under patronage and monitoring, then all this is now being brought to light...
Lena Lukash and Lena Bondarenko have now created a public organization that works with political prisoners, they send documents there over and over again. And documents, having received registration, travel, and it will no longer be possible to simply close your eyes.
That is, not only that... I talked to people for three weeks in Ukraine, I talked to people, I saw what was happening, I saw what a thirst people have to hear the truth about what really is. This didn’t happen, this didn’t happen a year ago.
It is clear that those against whom it is most strongly directed... who took an active part in resisting the overthrow of the legitimate government, who took an active part in resisting the murder of people in Odessa, those who took an active part in this resistance, it is clear - there are now a dozen articles on everyone. These people need to take care of themselves.
In fact, these people are the color of the Ukrainian nation, Ukrainian society, Ukraine. And many who are here are both journalists and politicians, against whom there is nothing. But somehow they feel more comfortable here. Play the victim and do something like that. No need.
If you took on something there... called yourself a milk mushroom, get into the back. Therefore, go and do social and political work as best you can. You can meet one person - meet, talk. You can talk to ten. Or you can gather a hundred people somewhere – great. Talk to people. But speak the truth, people are waiting for it.
Valentin Filippov: As they say, the truth will make its way, but for some reason slowly. Okay, thank you very much.
Vasily Volga: Thank you, Valentin
Valentin Filippov: I wish Ukraine without blood. It's been a long time already.
Vasily Volga: The process is going well. Gromyko once said: “It is better to negotiate for ten years than to wage war for ten minutes.” And we’ve only been here for four years... We’ll cope. Everything goes well. If only everyone had enough sobriety, a cold mind with a warm heart.
Valentin Filippov: Fine. Thank you very much, goodbye.
Vasily Volga: Goodbye Valentin, bye.
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