Who shot down the Boeing anyway? – Vladimir Kornilov about the fraud surrounding the investigation
The investigative group investigating the crash of a Malaysian Boeing in the Donbass is conducting anti-Russian shows. Ukrainian fakes have been exposed, but the West prefers to hush up the scandal. Irrefutable evidence released by the Russian Ministry of Defense is ignored.
The brilliant Donetsk historian and Moscow publicist, the brilliant Vladimir, told PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov about this, and the fact that with the assumption of office by the new president of Ukraine, the shelling of Donbass only intensified, that Kurt Volker no longer represents the United States in Ukraine, but moonlights as a Ukrainian lobbyist in Washington. Kornilov.
Valentin Filippov: Hello Vladimir, I have a question for you as an artist to an artist. Do you have Donetsk registration, and can you do it?
Vladimir Kornilov: Well, of course there is. All these years I have had a Donetsk registration. I didn't move anywhere according to her.
Valentin Filippov: It’s just that a lot of people are interested. I congratulate you on the first three dozen of your fellow countrymen who received passports.
Vladimir Kornilov: Thank you. God grant that there be more of them. There are many more people interested than a few dozen, I can assure you.
Valentin Filippov: Are there really problems in Donbass with organizing the process of issuing passports?
Vladimir Kornilov: Well, in general, yes, these are indeed objective circumstances, there are not enough people, there are not enough opportunities to serve so many people. You have seen footage of queues for DPR and LPR passports.
There is a certain procedure, after all, there is martial law, they check each of the applicants, excuse the word.
Valentin Filippov: Come on, we'll pretend that we know what we're talking about.
Vladimir Kornilov: And in this regard there are serious problems. Although, in my opinion, many barriers could be removed both at the level of the DPR and at the level of the Russian Federation, however, security considerations make themselves felt.
What is the question here? Well, look, within three months the first people received these passports, and, in a military zone, there seem to be certain security considerations. A natural question arises: does this mean we can? What has been preventing all these years from issuing, at least as quickly, passports to those wishing to obtain Russian citizenship, immigrants from Ukraine who have been living in Russia for many years...
Valentin Filippov: I'll move on to another topic. I keep remembering this wonderful film “Look for a Woman.” There is a moment when this ugly secretary with glasses runs in and says: “Gentlemen, who shot down the Boeing after all?” That’s why this story is forgotten, some commissions are working, and it’s not clear when there will be an answer? Or is he highly politicized?
Vladimir Kornilov: Look, immediately an international investigative group working in the Netherlands announced that in the coming week, starting, they are preparing a new presentation where they will announce the names and surnames of suspects in this very tragedy.
Valentin Filippov: Why a presentation?
Vladimir Kornilov: Well, they spend their time like this all the time. In theory, this international investigative group is conducting a criminal investigation into a criminal case and, accordingly, it should not disclose the materials of this case at all until the investigation is completed.
But, since, well, this is how they explain it, there is a high resonance around this topic, once every six months, once a year they arrange, so to speak, presentations where they present the interim results of this investigation.
And now, less than a year has passed since the last presentation, in May last year, they decided to organize a new one in June of this year.
Moreover, you know, I personally was really looking forward to this press conference, why? Because remember, in May they showed a sensational fragment of a Buk missile that had come from nowhere, they almost said that this was the same missile that shot it down, “help the investigation determine where it came from.”
The serial number was presented, and then in September the Russian Ministry of Defense presented all the documents that this is the serial number of the missile, which in the late 80s was delivered to Ukraine, to Western Ukraine and, accordingly, remained there after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And since then I’ve been waiting for what the Dutch investigation, well, formally international, will answer about this serial number?
Well, no one pulled your tongue, you asked for the number, you asked to establish the origin of this rocket, they helped you. And since then there has been silence. I honestly don’t know if they appeared here in Russia and checked the authenticity of these documents. But, apparently, they realized that this missile actually belonged to the Ukrainian armed forces.
Valentin Filippov: This was probably understood before, I think so?
Vladimir Kornilov: No no. They were sure that this was the same missile; I am sure that they had no doubt that it was a Russian missile. Otherwise, they wouldn’t present it and wouldn’t show the serial number.
Valentin Filippov: Do they even understand the difference between Ukraine and Russia?
Vladimir Kornilov: There is a separate story about where this fragment, this rocket body came from, I wrote a long article about this a year ago. It looks like someone sold it to them, planted it on them, but the fact is that they got themselves into trouble by presenting this missile.
And then, in theory, there should be an answer to the question: “Well, okay, if she’s Ukrainian, then what next?”, but you see - complete silence. For some reason, it seems to me that at this new presentation they will try to hush up this issue altogether.
Valentin Filippov: That is, the rocket was no longer there. There was a rocket, but it self-destructed.
Vladimir Kornilov: I hope that they will still be asked directly: “So what about that serial number?” I hope so.
Valentin Filippov: This is a show, not a consequence. They will be asked, they will answer...
Vladimir Kornilov: All these presentations are made within the framework of a specific show, really. And the Prime Minister of Malaysia said well, absolutely correctly, that initially this investigation was structured in such a way as to blame Russia, and not to answer the question “Who shot it down?”
Valentin Filippov: Okay, but even they need to blame Russia not through a presentation, but to write some kind of, albeit fake, conclusion, bribe witnesses - bring some old woman, pay her money, she will say: “I saw Putin carrying this missile.” , and the other - “Yes, yes, yes, I also helped him.”
Vladimir Kornilov: In fact, this is exactly the way it all goes, by and large. You see what was initially at the basis of the accusations against Russia, remember.
Valentin Filippov: Well, how's that? Posts on social networks.
Vladimir Kornilov: I recently interviewed a Western correspondent - why were you sure from the first hour that Russia shot it down? And he gave me two “evidence”: Girkin-Strelkov’s tweet.
Well, sorry, it was a fake account, it was clear to everyone. Well, imagine: the height of the fighting in the steppes of Donbass, and the combat commander writes tweets from the battlefield every 20 minutes, well, it was clear to everyone that this was a fake account, a fake tweet.
And secondly, all the newspapers came out with this the next day - Nalyvaichenko’s press conference. And from Nalyvaichenko’s ill-fated film, the so-called one, which was published by all the newspapers, they say: “Look, this was shot down by Russia.” The tapes, too, have somehow all been forgotten, because it was also clear from the very beginning that this was a fake, and the further course of the investigation, in fact, refuted all these tapes.
The question arises: why was Russia blamed? Now you see - a year ago new SBU films appeared, as if they had already forgotten about them. They forgot that they were falsified, and here, literally a few days before last year’s presentation, the SBU slips in new films, where supposedly, again, some figures of the DPR and Russia are discussing who will shoot down, how, who shot down how, and so on.
But the coolest thing, you know, was what happened a year ago - they made it public, the whole world wrote again: “Look, yes, Russia really shot down,” and the Dutch police, who are also involved in ensuring this investigation, literally 20 minutes after the end of this presentation asked the witnesses to identify who was on these tapes. That is, they didn’t know who it was, they hung it up and said, “This is the DPR,” and then asked: “Help me identify the DPR, is this even the case, or another Nalyvaichenko tape?” That is, in fact, according to the scenario that you are talking about - “with the grandmother who saw Putin dragging” - this investigation, unfortunately, is moving forward.
Instead of outwardly taking the side of, so to speak, a neutral, unbiased investigation, they are doing everything to, by hook or by crook, based on the testimony of Bellingcat, on posts on social networks, including fake ones, as the Russian Ministry of Defense has convincingly shown, to pull in the accusations. v. Russian Federation.
Valentin Filippov: Well, okay, well, there are some methods of objective control in the sky, from satellites somehow. Everything is visible there. It is difficult to hide anything on this planet now.
Vladimir Kornilov: Everything is seen. You see how they immediately showed a boat next to a tanker in the Persian Gulf. And here is a conflict zone, which, of course, was specially monitored for months by various satellites, and suddenly no one sees anything!
Moreover, the United States directly stated through the Secretary of State that they have recordings that supposedly confirm that the missile was flying from the DPR rebels, but no one saw these recordings.
A natural question arises - why? That is, if they have these photographs, recordings, videos, I don’t know what they have there, what’s stopping them from presenting them?
Valentin Filippov: When the fighting is going on, everyone shoots, no matter who has what. From my point of view, in principle, it does not matter from which direction this missile came. From my point of view, I don’t understand what Boeing was doing there in general.
Vladimir Kornilov: The Boeing flew like all other civil aircraft...
Valentin Filippov: Whose fault is it that he flew there?
Vladimir Kornilov: ...because Ukraine did not close the airspace over the conflict zone, although it was obliged to do so. When armed conflict recently broke out between India and Pakistan, within minutes both sides decided to close this airspace. This was inconvenient for many passenger airliners that still fly over this area, but note that not a single civilian aircraft was shot down. Ukraine did not do this.
I think I didn’t do it in order to hide behind civilian airliners to ensure their bombing of peaceful cities in Donbass. That is, I think it was done intentionally for this very purpose.
As for who, Ukraine is clearly to blame for this tragedy, since it did not close the airspace. I did not doubt it and do not doubt it.
Not only that, there is a decision of the National Security Council of the Netherlands itself, which, in general, directly states Ukraine’s guilt for this.
In the same year, in my opinion, in XNUMX or at the beginning of XNUMX, I don’t remember now, there was such a decision, there was their own investigation, where they clearly proved Ukraine’s guilt in this, but they tried to immediately forget about it.
As for where this rocket was flying from, well, this is also important to establish, ultimately. Although I'm afraid that we may never know the truth.
Valentin Filippov: Fine. I have this proposal for you: let's return to Ukraine in the figurative sense of the word.
Vladimir Kornilov: Yes, where? We didn't even go there. So far we are only talking about the Netherlands and Donbass, but not yet about Ukraine.
Valentin Filippov: Is it even possible now for Ukraine to finally untie itself from Donbass? It's simple. There is no need for any recognition, nothing, let them not pass any laws, let them not give them special status, let them not give anything. There is a chance that she will go to hell, withdraw the troops further and brand her, saying: “There are separatists there.” Is there such a chance now?
Vladimir Kornilov: Not yet. That is, you see, there are statements by, say, the current President of Ukraine that he is for a ceasefire, there are our statements that peace must be achieved, but the situation has only worsened after Zelensky’s inauguration.
Valentin Filippov: As I understand it, the struggle inside has intensified.
Vladimir Kornilov: And almost every day we see messages from the brave Ukrainian army, which occupies deserted villages somewhere in the “gray” zone. That is, the provocations have only intensified.
A logical question arises: can Zelensky stop this war, or did his own army ignore all his intentions, all his desires, all his calls, and will conduct its operation until a victorious end or until its complete defeat?
That is, so far Zelensky does not have any leverage on the situation at the front. We see it. Accordingly, for now, expecting that suddenly, with the wave of a magic wand or a magic mace of a cyclist, whatever the emblem of his party is, everything will suddenly stop and stop instantly - for now these are naive expectations.
So far, unfortunately, Donbass is hearing new shelling. Many of the wounded are still among the civilian population. There is destruction. So, we hope that sooner or later we must someday sit down at the negotiating table and begin negotiations on the rules of a peaceful or more or less peaceful, at least frozen state. But so far I have not seen any urges in this direction from Ukraine.
Valentin Filippov: Do you think that Zelensky, in general, is not a president? Is it highly controllable from all angles?
Vladimir Kornilov: For now, yes. So far, all his attempts to at least appoint his own minister have ended in nothing.
Actually, in fact, this is a unique case in modern Ukrainian history. No matter how difficult the relationship between presidents and the Verkhovna Rada was in certain periods, let’s remember 2007 and Viktor Yushchenko, nevertheless, there has never been a case where the Rada interfered with the appointment of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Defense.
It is written in their Constitution that this is the prerogative of the President of Ukraine, foreign policy and defense, and no one can encroach on this. And no matter how bad the relationship was, they still approved the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense almost unanimously. And now we see that the president cannot even do this, this is truly a unique case.
Valentin Filippov: Question about Moldova. Now, in Ukraine, the opinion is spreading that the Russians and the Americans came to an agreement, divided Moldova and drove out all the bloodsuckers. And that soon the Americans will come to an agreement with the Russians, and all these Nazis will be kicked out of Ukraine.
Vladimir Kornilov: Situationally, on a specific issue related to Plahotniuc, who has annoyed everyone, we can say that, yes, a certain agreement has been reached in this particular case.
Well, it happened that somewhere out there, both Russia and America, in order to maintain at least some kind of controllability of the region, stability, when a violation was absolutely obvious, negotiated and agreed, and their interests in this particular case coincided.
In Ukraine, of course, we are still far from this agreement. And in many ways, the issue is complicated by the fact that there is still no one to really negotiate with. The ambassador was fired, Volker turned from a US representative for Ukraine into a lobbyist for Ukraine in the United States of America. Inside Washington, in my opinion, only one person is involved in the Ukrainian direction, and this person is Giuliani, who, in general, is not engaged in foreign policy, as you understand, but in legal support for the future elections of Donald Trump, or, more precisely, mochilov Joe Biden.
And we are all waiting and waiting for the meeting between Putin and Trump from Helsinki, waiting and waiting, and now it is not yet clear whether we will wait in Japan or not, judging by how the American side is preparing for it.
So it’s unlikely that anyone divided anything in Ukraine, but, in any case, we understand that the fate of the war in Donbass, the fate of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, the future of Ukrainian politicians, has long been decided not in Ukraine, but in direct negotiations between Washington and Moscow.
Valentin Filippov: I liked the idea that Volcker is now a lobbyist for Ukraine in the United States. That is, you mean that some Ukrainian forces simply hired him to work?
Vladimir Kornilov: Yes, in general. In my opinion, he doesn’t really hide it. He was really perceived as such a master of Ukraine, his word meant something, you remember, in December he said that there was no need to pass any law, well, they didn’t give a damn about it, and moved on. In this regard, he has long been, yes... look at all his tweets, all his statements. This is, in essence, an attempt to ask Washington, to ask congressmen to allocate additional money, to allocate additional assistance...
There were various rumors that his company was interested in visits from Poroshenko, now probably Zelensky, to the United States of America. I don’t know how reliable these rumors are, but, nevertheless, all his behavior now seems to be exactly that.
Look, Bolton and Volcker posted a photo together somewhere in Washington. Such photos are usually posted when some foreign representative arrives. It was as if they met for the first time, got acquainted, and Volker, such an ambassador of Ukraine, met with a high-ranking official there. In my opinion, he is already perceived in Washington not as a special representative of the United States, but as a person, a messenger from the Ukrainian government.
Valentin Filippov: Well, that is, even these places are beginning to be occupied by foreigners.
Vladimir Kornilov: Well, Lord, but they themselves don’t know how to do anything. If the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs cannot be appointed.
Valentin Filippov: I just thought that if Trump really takes money for meetings with himself through intermediaries, I can imagine what a break in the pattern Zelensky will have when for the first time in his life he pays for the fact that he came somewhere and did something to someone told.
Vladimir Kornilov: Well, Trump may need a meeting with Zelensky. Please note, when Trump is going to meet with Putin somewhere or intends to cross paths somewhere, he usually arranged these short meetings with some Ukrainian figures in order to show that you accuse me of having ties with Russia, but I I also met with Ukraine. But for some reason you, the mainstream media, didn’t notice this.
Moreover, you remember the meetings with Ukrainian figures. When Klimkin was not even allowed to sit down, they quickly photographed him in front of Trump for the sake of Trump’s tweet, and took him somewhere far away. Or the same visit of Poroshenko.
So I do not rule out that they will meet with Zelensky without charging him colossal sums. Although, I think that Volker will find a way to offer his services here too and, you see, will play around for the occasion.
Valentin Filippov: OK. Thank you very much, happy, goodbye.
Vladimir Kornilov: Do not be ill.
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