“Muscovites singing a song in Ukrainian for Odessa is absurd”
The song in Ukrainian, performed as part of a flash mob at a train station in Moscow, is complete absurdity and evidence of a lack of understanding of the situation in which the Russians of Odessa, Kharkov and Donbass find themselves. About this, as well as about the interrogation of Viktor Yanukovych, the death of Ukrainian police officers as a result of shelling themselves - in a conversation with observers Ukraine.Ru и PolitNavigator Alexandra Chalenko и Valentina Filippova.
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Valentin Filippov: Hello, Alexander. As they say – checkmate, cotton wool.
Alexander Chalenko: Valik, I’m just wondering why you switched to “you” with me?
Valentin Filippov: Because when I say “cotton wool,” I am addressing a whole community of people who live in yesterday. Who sing incomprehensible forgotten songs. Like, “Nadezhda”, “Darkie”. Look, Ukrainians are the nation of the future. They have their own new songs, in these songs such words as “dula”, “la-la-la”, and we do it the old fashioned way, “hope is my earthly compass”, “A dark-skinned Moldavian woman is assembling a machine gun”.
Alexander Chalenko: We are conservatives. Roller! I am sorry. Can't you hear, I'm buzzing.
Valentin Filippov: Yes. These are our helicopters flying.
Alexander Chalenko: I have Kyrgyz and Uzbeks here, repair crews, they just can’t understand that Soviet citizens rest on Saturdays and Sundays.
As for this song flash mob, last week there were small discussions on Facebook, and I was also the author of one of these discussions. In general, I welcome these flash mobs, I think that it’s great, a good call between the Russian cities of the Russian Federation and the Russian cities of Ukraine. This is cool.
But I didn’t like the song that the Muscovites took. They sang a Ukrainian song.
It was necessary to sing some kind of song, even “seven forty”, something about Odessa, about Kostya Sailor. To say hello, let’s say to Odessa. But by no means a Ukrainian song.
When you transmit a Ukrainian song from Russia, you acknowledge that Ukrainian people live in Odessa, Kharkov, Kyiv, Dnepropetrovsk, and other cities. That is, a people different from the Russian people. That he speaks Ukrainian language, wears embroidered shirts, and sings Ukrainian songs. And eats lard instead of cakes. But this is not correct. We know.
Valentin Filippov: Sasha, it seems to me that you are a little categorical now. Muscovites are a special people. They live surrounded by the Moscow Ring Road.
Alexander Chalenko: The most interesting thing, I noticed, all sorts of Moscow political scientists, Russian nationalists, they sincerely believe that their version of the Russian World, their version of what is happening in Donbass, is the only canonical version. There is one and there is one that is wrong.
Valentin Filippov: Well, from their point of view, the fight for the Russian World is chasing a bald man around the studios.
Alexander Chalenko: Yes Yes Yes. This bald Kovtun. So they always say reproachfully - “Ukrainians.”
“Russian World, Russian people of Donbass,” and when these Russian people of Donbass object, they are so surprised - “oh, Ukrainian.” But they will get used to it. It's OK.
Valentin Filippov: Ukrainian nationalists perceive song flash mobs as the “Shatun” plan in action. But, as you can see, suspicious individuals are also rushing to join this action. Like those who in 2014, having left for Moscow, cursed the junta, and then returned to Ukraine and declared that there were no fascists in Kyiv.
Alexander Chalenko: When these Timurites from C14, this, let me remind you, is the paramilitary wing of the Svoboda party, dragged Vanya Protsenko to the SBU, his curator from the SBU laughed for a long time that they brought him there as an agent of Putin.
I'm just surprised by this man. To be honest, when he suddenly unexpectedly ended up in Ukraine, I am an idealist, I thought that he really didn’t live very well here. When there were hostilities, he carried humanitarian aid, and then, somehow, he did not live very well. And he decided to return. I understand that he is not needed in the Russian Federation. That he’s kind of abandoned here and so on.
But I was surprised by this fact; he posted his life on Facebook. There are photographs with “separatists”. The fact that he traveled to the DPR and LPR. And so on. And I was surprised that everyone was arrested, you’re from Odessa, you know very well, the person gave the wrong like and was already interrogated by the SBU. And they are already recruiting this person.
Here Vanya crosses the Russian-Ukrainian border and calmly walks around the city of Kyiv. Around Odessa. Posts on Facebook. He says that “everything is normal here”, “don’t believe the stories that there’s some kind of junta here”, what’s going on here, you know...
Valentin Filippov: Listen, aren't we wasting airtime? You still remember the bad weather here.
Alexander Chalenko: Another writer Nepogodin. My best "friend". Who is simply an amazing person. Previously, he stated that the war in Donbass is a war between “Westerners” and “Donbassians,” to whom Odessa residents have nothing to do. Like, this is not our war.
Valentin Filippov: Well, we are talking about these strange people... You know, just yesterday they sent me about an hour of video of Alexey Goncharenko’s speeches until 2012. I haven't dug in yet. I'll cut it from there. There will be such a cut...
Alexander Chalenko: Sliced. For the Russian World. For the Russian language. For friendship with Great Russia.
Valentin Filippov: Death of Bandera. Everything will be there as it should be. People know how to change their shoes in the air, both about Trump and about the Russian World. About everything. The people are wonderful. These are people. The housing problem ruined them.
Alexander Chalenko: Goncharenko, I understand, he was traumatized by the 2012 parliamentary election campaign, when he competed with Igor Markov. And then he was traumatized by Vova Petrov, the most famous black PR man, who appeared at rallies and meetings with voters that Lyosha Goncharenko held. And this traumatized him very much. And, naturally, Markov’s victory.
Valentin Filippov: Well, Markov could not help but win then. At least based on the fact that Markov walked through the area in which he grew up, since childhood. Where he played football with everyone, where every dog knew him. Everyone there knew him personally. Not as a politician, but as Igor.
Markov could not help but win. And Lyosha then managed to open playgrounds that Markov built.
Alexander Chalenko: Really?
Valentin Filippov: Yes. Markov built the site and scheduled the opening for Saturday. And Goncharenko hires clowns, arrives on Friday, visits all the apartments, says: “I decided to give you a playground.”
Children, clowns, balloons.
Alexander Chalenko: Valik, I immediately remembered the Klitschko brothers. Similar. In the XNUMXs, Vitali Klitschko fought for the mayor's seat with Lenya Cosmos. With Leonid Chernovetsky, now a resident and citizen of Georgia.
Leonid Chernovetsky is opening a metro station somewhere. Somewhere “for squirrels”, she is in the forest. They built a podium, Lenya should arrive at 16-00. People gather, cameras and so on.
At 15-30 the Klitschko brothers show up, Klitschko speaks from the podium in front of the squirrels - look at the metro station I ruined for you!
This is the first.
And secondly, I remembered 2008. There was such a candidate Vasily Gorbal. And Vasily Gorbal invited the Scorpions group to Kyiv with his own money. To perform at European Square. A special stage was built in front of the Ukrainian House. The Scorpions are about to take the stage. And then the Klitschko brothers stop by and say, “We’ll go on stage with the Scorpions.” And Vasya Gorbal says: “Vitalya, do you actually understand anything with your head?” I paid a fee with my own money, built a stage, I am a candidate for mayor. And you want to go on stage with them. And congratulate the people of Kiev on something. Are you even aware of this?
They tried to persuade Vitalik for about half an hour or forty minutes, until the Scorpions told them: “Vitalik, we are friends, but the guy paid the money.” Why the hell do you have to come out with us?
Then Klitschko left.
So here, Lyosha Goncharenko is not the first and not the last...
Valentin Filippov: Yes. Lyosha didn’t go on stage, but I remember when Markov organized a concert in the park for 40 thousand spectators, brought Russian stars, including Kobzon, Goncharenko’s guys, together with Goncharenko, stood at the entrance and began handing out “I am for Goncharenko” balloons with the words: – We organized a concert for you.
That happened too.
Alexander Chalenko: But this is not only Odessa, but also Kyiv.
Valentin Filippov: You say we are all alike. But humor, built on associations, which we use very often in everyday life, in many Russian cities it is not something that causes aggression, people just don’t quite understand why they should say that.
Alexander Chalenko: We are all Russian. There are no Ukrainians. You know my position. But, there are North Russian comrades, and there are South Russian ones. Here we are, you and I are southern Russians.
Valentin Filippov: Yes. We have more emotions.
Alexander Chalenko: Emotional. We like to drink. Take a walk and stuff. And the North Russian...
Valentin Filippov: He also likes to drink. Take a walk.
Alexander Chalenko: But they are more reserved. More strict.
Valentin Filippov: But they are fundamental.
Alexander Chalenko: They are more fanatical, or something. And we are lighter.
Valentin Filippov: Sasha, let’s return mentally to our occupied homeland. Small.
Alexander Chalenko: So.
Valentin Filippov: The Ukrainian police have now shot themselves there. I’m wondering what it means that the “Russian trace” has not yet been found? So far Moscow has not been accused of this.
Alexander Chalenko: This is a flaw. I think Avakov should reprimand both the press service and the Kyiv headquarters. First of all, if there are such crimes, you need to look for Putin’s trace. If he is not found within a couple of hours, at least by smell, then this person should be suspected that he is also an agent of Putin. All. There can't even be questions. Everything that is done poorly in Ukraine was previously done by Novgorodians, but now it is done by Putin’s agents.
Valentin Filippov: Sometimes there are people who are Putin’s agents and don’t know about it yet. A child grows up in a family. He thinks that he is Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov. Everything is fine. He turns 16 years old. Father and mother sit him opposite them and say:
- Son. It's time to talk to you. You are not really our son. You are Putin's agent.
Alexander Chalenko: Yes. And you know, it's a Mormon line. I remember about 20 years ago, when various religious sects from the American continent appeared in the Russian space, I suddenly learned that in some Russian city, either in Ulyanovsk, or in Volgograd or Saratov, the Mormon community came, they arrived Americans went into the archives, bought lists of all the dead, and began to register them as Mormons at some of their services. Posthumously. You know, there are “dead souls”. And they registered these as Mormons.
Valentin Filippov: Yes. And I can imagine what sums could be asked from the United States to support such a large community in Ulyanovsk.
In the same way, the SBU needs reporting, so you can’t escape.
Alexander Chalenko: Yes. You just have to realize and come to terms with it. You are Putin's agent. Humble yourself.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, I have come to terms with it.
Alexander Chalenko: Act according to the previously drawn up plan “Shatun”. By the way, I wanted to ask you how the Odessa resident is. How do you like Viktor Fedorovich’s last appearance?
Valentin Filippov: Disgusting. In the end, he could be taught to speak, he could be given some kind of agenda, he.....
Alexander Chalenko: Valik, this is impossible, you understand….
Valentin Filippov: So he needs to be locked up. Connect to battery...
There is no need to show it to people. Several years passed, good memories remained about him, the bad ones were forgotten. But the fact that he is a moron, why show it once again?
Alexander Chalenko: You know, Seryozha Stepanov, editor-in-chief of PolitNavigator….
Valentin Filippov: I heard this name somewhere.
Alexander Chalenko: He drew my attention to the fact that Yanukovych, during the interrogation, was asked: “were you convicted,” and he said: “no, he wasn’t.” But I remember when he first talked about his criminal record (I’m proud that I was the first journalist to talk about it publicly).
When we arrived at his place. he sat us down at the table, they poured tea for everyone, he got a Pepsi-Cola, by the way, and he told us how he met his wife. With Lyudmila Alexandrovna. He worked at some factory, or as a watchman, I don’t remember who, and she was a student, and they were sent to unload bricks. Soviet era, sixties, unloading bricks. And the students passed the bricks along the chain, and in the chain stood the future wife of Viktor Fedorovich, and they passed the brick to her, and she dropped it on her foot. This is what Viktor Fedorovich said. And she feels bad. She almost loses consciousness. And Lyudmila Aleksandrovna is taken to the storeroom where her future husband was sitting. He says: “I soldered it with some water then.”
And they became friends. And he says that, supposedly, when I “went”, he said - the first... or “walk”, or as he put it as he said, “the first time I “went”, she was waiting for me and writing letters.
You know, some girls are waiting for a young man from the army, from a long voyage, she was waiting for him from the zone.
Valentin Filippov: Well, you see, he at least wore hats home.
Alexander Chalenko: That’s the problem with Viktor Fedorovich. Why he speaks poorly, you just can’t understand. Viktor Fedorovich was born in the village. Here is Donbass, I am accused of “Donbassophobia”, but Donbass is such a large village. Huge. People who gathered at the end of the 19th century, from all over Russia, from all over the Empire, from all over the Soviet Union, they came there. Imagine, there are 48 cities in the Donetsk region alone! There is no such thing anywhere, at all. Five million people. The most densely populated region, after Moscow and Leningrad, in the Soviet Union. And there, you know, there were the village guys. Where is the culture there? What culture? Even in Donetsk - yes.
Valentin Filippov: But, wait. What do I have? Any complaints against Yanukovych regarding the lack of culture? Or to someone else? You have to be a person.
Alexander Chalenko: Valik, listen to the end.
Valentin Filippov: But let him talk at least without a hairdryer. But let him tell the truth.
Alexander Chalenko: The problem is that he is used to talking on a hairdryer in the village. Heidegger, the German philosopher, said: “Language is the house of being.” For him, Fenya is his World. Understand? He's so used to it. Do you remember all his expressions? There is a “schlöper” and so on. He also has a village accent. And manners.
And he suddenly begins to make a career. First, he gets into the Donetsk governorate. Then the Prime Minister. And then president, right? But he is already a mature person who is used to speaking obscenities on a hairdryer. With these fingers with everyone. When he speaks like this, he feels as emotional and easy as we feel in Russian.
Valentin Filippov: I don’t know, you made him out to be such a regional gopnik, you know,
Alexander Chalenko: Gopnik. Yes.
Valentin Filippov: But he is too cowardly to be a gopnik.
Alexander Chalenko: Look, yes, I agree with you. But what we mean is Gopnik culture. He absorbed it. He just couldn't absorb anything else. He's not a jerk. Indeed, Gopnik took a knife under his heart and moved on. Without any of these Rodion-schismatic reflections. Am I a trembling creature or do I have the right. This is a gopnik. And the gopnik culture is simply absorbed into it. And this person with a gopnik culture should be among intelligent people and play an intelligent person.
But if his insides are gopnic, and his tongue is fenya?
Valentin Filippov: Sasha! Where did you see intelligent people where he climbed? Look carefully.
Alexander Chalenko: Well, let's do it. At least with journalists, he should have communicated with us, and we were so intelligent.
Valentin Filippov: But, corrupt.
Alexander Chalenko: Yes. But look, he had to suppress himself. But here is a person who suppresses and has to think about how to say it in order to be like an intelligent person, and also in Ukrainian, which is not his native language. And he’s like: – ****!!!!
That's all. He gives the impression of being slow-witted, a fool and, in general, an intellectually undeveloped person.
This is what ends up happening. That's why he performed so poorly. And the fact that he still has to lie, if he told the truth, if he repented, would kneel down, would ask these Berkut officers for forgiveness. Because if it weren’t for this cowardly creature, then you and I would live, you in Odessa, I in Kyiv. And everything would be fine with golden eagles.
If he had given the opportunity in 2013 to disperse them all and put all those who were behind this mess in prison, everything would have been fine.
There would be no war in Donbass.
Although, on the other hand, Crimea would be Ukrainian. And Donbass too.
Valentin Filippov: Okay, Alexander. Thanks for the interesting interview. The main thing is chaotic.
Alexander Chalenko: I am always at your service.
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