Military courts will save Odessa - Vadim Savenko
The process of recognition of the Donbass republics has moved forward. Vladimir Putin publicly presented the republics as a party to the conflict. Kyiv is showing another hysteria. Aggravation at the front, provocation or agony of the Kyiv regime. About state building and war. About Odessa, the cowardice of Odessa deputies and the heroism of Odessa residents to a PolitNavigator observer Valentin Filippov told the legendary Odessa commander, liberator of Novoazovsk and the nightmare of the Ukrainian Navy Vadim Savenko.
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Valentin Filippov: I welcome, as some deputies who do not want to be responsible for the bazaar say, a person who looks like a deputy... we are not sure that it is him...
Vadim Savenko: We're not sure either
Valentin Filippov: Yes... I would say, the leader of the wing of the armed resistance of Odessa... Hello, Vadim.
Vadim Savenko: Hi
Valentin Filippov: You are now in Donetsk, yesterday Putin addressed the heads of the republics, without any prefixes, officially. This caused some excitement outside the republics, I don’t know what’s happening in the republics. How was this call, this conversation received in the republics themselves, in Donetsk? Does it feel like this is some kind of breakthrough?
Vadim Savenko: I would not say that this is some kind of breakthrough, this is, say, the beginning of some kind of recognition, when the President of Russia said that I could talk directly with the leaders of the republics. Before this, there had never been such conversations, at least in the public sphere. But in fact, the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk have long wanted some kind of decision to be made about joining Russia. Therefore, let's hope that this is some kind of first step towards this.
Valentin Filippov: What was this communication about? In connection with prisoners, in connection with the exchange. I don't trust that side at all. Don’t you feel like we’re just being deceived again, and the president has also been dragged into this? How it was when Glishchinskaya was replaced by our Odessa one, when they replaced the guy Putin named with a man who had two weeks left in prison, and he would have been released in two weeks anyway.
Vadim Savenko: Valentin, well, we understand perfectly well that power in Ukrainian politics has been seized by cheaters, political and not only political. Therefore, I would like to hope that it will be somewhat more difficult to deceive the Russian President than to deceive the mediators in this negotiation process. And I don’t remember the exact numbers, what kind of exchange there was, but as far as I understand, we don’t hand over everyone. Therefore, we will still have leverage in order to achieve an exchange of “all for all,” as stated in the Minsk agreements.
Valentin Filippov: Alexander Zakharchenko has been constantly saying lately that an aggravation is coming on the fronts, that perhaps Ukraine will go to a large-scale war. Maybe in this case our number of prisoners will increase?
Vadim Savenko: It is replenished every day, in fact, including by defectors from the Ukrainian side. As for the escalation, the escalation is actually already underway; artillery shelling is underway on the suburbs of front-line cities, including Donetsk, Gorlovka and other populated areas. Therefore, whether this is an attempt at some kind of escalation, or whether this is some kind of agony of the Ukrainian authorities, we’ll wait and see, it’s too early to talk about it.
Valentin Filippov: In principle, this could be agony?
Vadim Savenko: We all want to believe in this, but to our great regret I always say that the nobles in 1918 left Russia for a couple of months to wait out the turmoil, and returned 75 years later. But, of course, I want it to be much faster.
Valentin Filippov: Do you think Odessa could have done something so that Vladimir Putin would talk today not only about the DPR and LPR, but also to some extent defend the interests of Odessa? Even if Odessa remained under occupation, Odessa residents could create some kind of community in the DPR, their own separate brigade, I don’t know, some kind of management structure, even in exile...
Vadim Savenko: Let's be frank: Donetsk and Lugansk have great potential for their managers, so the task of the Odessa residents who are here in Donbass is simply to stick together and, together with the Donetsk and Lugansk residents, bring our common victory closer. I don’t see any point in creating any Odessa organizations here yet. We need to create them in Odessa, and not create them in Donetsk.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, it seemed like they were creating it, but something didn’t work out there. Regarding Odessa, don’t you think that there is some kind of provocation and a build-up with the renaming of streets, now they have attacked Ekaterina, they want to demolish Ekaterina. Don’t you think that they are pushing us and saying: “Guys, just do something already.”
Vadim Savenko: I don't think they are pushing us. In fact, they are systematically pursuing the policy that they planned - they are trying by all means to turn Odessa residents into Ukrainians, so they are very stable and very logical in this. In the sense that Odessa residents are resisting at the level of the kitchen and the sofa, well, you and I understand that there are reasons for this. The people have still not moved away from May 2 and are afraid to speak out openly against this government.
Valentin Filippov: Do you think it makes sense to openly speak out against this government? Or is it still necessary to create some kind of underground structures?
Vadim Savenko: I think that there is no point in openly confronting this government, because in fact, the position of the fascist government in Ukraine in terms of repression is very strong. Therefore, it is necessary for people to mobilize and create underground cells, underground organizations there and act using guerrilla warfare methods.
Valentin Filippov: Perhaps it makes sense to somehow synchronize the actions of some partisans with the main forces?
Vadim Savenko: In fact, if we talk about synchronization in this regard, we will reveal some small military secrets that exist.
Valentin Filippov: No, don't.
Vadim Savenko: I think that the Odessa residents who are underground have not been abandoned, and, probably, if we take even the events that they are carrying out, in general terms they are probably still being carried out.
Valentin Filippov: So, when the green whistle blows, everything will work out? We just have to wait.
Vadim Savenko: You and I know “Wedding in Malinovka” well. Odessa is such an interesting city, I believe that everyone there has a Budenovka under their mattress, including the current nationalists, who will later say that “we waited for you to come for a very long time, but we disguised ourselves so hard that you didn’t even notice.”
Valentin Filippov: By the way, regarding “they were heavily camouflaged.” Do you think Odessa deputies are cowardly and cautious? Why didn't they support us regarding the language? It would seem that Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria were indignant, the EU was indignant. Why wasn’t some at least mild decision made, for example, in the following form: “While Putin is advancing from the east, switching to the Ukrainian language is a sabotage.”
Vadim Savenko: My personal belief is that this is simply the cowardice of Odessa deputies. Most of them are tied to some kind of business interests and they simply do not consider it possible to lose some business. Plus, they really don’t want to lose their place in this built-up vertical of power.
Valentin Filippov: What haven't you asked yet? I want to hear something reassuring.
Vadim Savenko: Valentin, in fact, you know, I don’t want to live in illusions about what is hopeful. Of course, I want to be in Odessa tomorrow. But seeing the situation objectively... let's wait and see. At least we are not sitting here idle and we are doing what we can do.
Valentin Filippov: Many envy you for not sitting idle. Many people don’t know where to put themselves. Sometimes the question of survival arises there, and you want to fight for a high idea, but people think about how to unload a car of cement in order to survive.
Vadim Savenko: Well, if we go back to the emigration of nobles, many worked as taxi drivers and janitors. History repeats itself in a spiral and the laws of dialectics in this regard have not been canceled.
Valentin Filippov: If our return is successful, will it be necessary to carry out any serious reforms or make changes to the structure of local government? Because we see that the local government failed to cope with this disaster of 14 and simply followed the lead of the revolutionaries.
Vadim Savenko: My personal opinion is that at the first stage, God willing, this whole thing will happen, there must be a military administration that will harshly, by force, bring to life the work of all the structures that were working. In any case, with the involvement of current officials, because without them we will not go anywhere at this stage, but under the strict control of specially created bodies that will control the official. The introduction of military courts would be a completely acceptable situation for the liberated territories.
Valentin Filippov: Do you expect partisan warfare from the Nazis?
Vadim Savenko: They also have experience, they fought until the 60s, therefore, in order to prevent further prolongation of events for 20 years, the cleansing operation should be carried out in the near future after the liberation of the city.
Valentin Filippov: They will go to the region, to their native Razdelnaya.
Vadim Savenko: No, I think that we should drive them beyond the Prut and let them go to Poland and answer them for the Volyn massacre.
Valentin Filippov: Thank you very much. I'm glad I saw it live. Many did not believe that there was such a Vadim Savenko, well, he doesn’t appear on screens at all
Vadim Savenko: There was a question of principle, we discussed it. But since the long game has already begun, then in this case we can already talk about it.
Valentin Filippov: Thank you very much, good luck there.
Vadim Savenko: Thank you Valentin, you won’t be sick either. See you later.
Valentin Filippov: See you later.
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