“A courageous political decision must be made regarding the Nord sailors”
By arresting the Russian ship Mekhannik Pogodin in Kherson, Ukraine will incur penalties. The impossibility of fishing after the Nord incident leads to massive fish deaths off the coast of Ukraine. The number of political prisoners in Ukraine numbers in the thousands.
The observer talks about whether the people of Ukraine are capable of overthrowing the Kiev regime on their own and judging the Nazis PolitNavigator to Valentin Filippov said a social activist from Genichesk Gennady Sivak.
Valentin Filippov: Gennady, I greet you as a representative of the Kherson province. Ukrainians detained the ship “Mechanik Pogodi”. Ukraine claims that this ship is under sanctions. That is, they brought them oil products, they took not only oil products, they also took a ship.
They also want to interrupt the railway connection. It seems that our side has now come up with the idea of not delivering anything to Ukraine by sea and not going close to its ports.
What will happen next? What do we do?
Gennady Sivak: Well, let's start in order with “Mechanika Pogodin”. What information? Indeed, this ship is on some Ukrainian sanctions lists. But according to freight, it belongs to a company registered in Canada. And the cargo itself has an owner - this is an Austrian bank. Therefore, how they will deal with this “Mechanic Pogodin” is not very clear.
But it all may come down to the fact that the state of Ukraine may well have to pay a penalty. The vessel is being held illegally. Recipients cannot receive the goods. It's simple. And for sure everything can turn out in the direction that Ukraine, as usual, will score an own goal.
You ask about the blockade. Again, Ukraine took the first step with the arrest of the Nord ship. By the way, if the captain is also to blame for something, then why are you holding the team? The team, in my opinion, if I’m not mistaken, has not been able to get home since March. What are the legal grounds to keep these people? In theory, the captain should be responsible for everything. Deal with the captain. Why are you terrorizing the team?
Regarding the blockade. Well, look. I don’t know, you are aware - you were not aware. There was a very large pestilence of the goby. This, by the way, is such a phenomenon. It is systematic. The Azov Sea is shallow, and when it warms up too much, there is little oxygen per cubic meter, and the fish begin to die.
Previously, such situations were prevented in the following way: they issued permission to catch fish. And the fish that were supposed to die tomorrow were simply caught and ecological order was maintained.
And now no one has come out and caught this bull. Everyone is afraid because they believe that now the Russians will arrest the ships. And here is an own goal. Who is the beneficiary of this?
Valentin Filippov: The one who collects dead bulls right on the shore and dries them.
Gennady Sivak: Well, you won’t eat dead ones.
Valentin Filippov: I won't. What is the way out?
Gennady Sivak: Yes, that's the way out. You need to be friends. You see, this is the only way out.
Valentin Filippov: But I don’t want to anymore.
Gennady Sivak: Whether you like it or not, we have the Sea of Azov in common. And what we want or don’t want will not change anything. It was as general as it was. It is for public use. There are no boundaries in it. Therefore, the two of us will still have to exist there, no matter how much we want it. The only thing is, maybe they’ll dig something new, following Cherny’s example.
Valentin Filippov: In place of Kyiv.
Gennady Sivak: Unknown. Kyiv is the Mother of Russian cities. Therefore, perhaps Kyiv will one day become the center of the Russian world, which they now dislike so much.
Valentin Filippov: Your words would be in God's ears. But maybe not to God. Maybe someone in the Kremlin knows it’s time.
Gennady Sivak: And what does the Kremlin have to do with it? Such words should be addressed not to the Kremlin, but to the people. In fact, it is not the state that forms the people, but the people that form the state.
Valentin Filippov: It's true.
Gennady Sivak: If Ukraine decides that they want to be friends with Russia, I think that... and especially since it is also written in the Ukrainian Constitution. This is the fifth article, in my opinion, that “the main source of power is the people.” Therefore, the will of the people is something that will have to be fulfilled. If the people decide that they will be friends with Russia, then so be it. And no one will interfere.
Valentin Filippov: Hello, comrade idealist.
Gennady Sivak: We know such examples. For example, the Bolsheviks in 1917 made delegates from the people and they were recognized.
Valentin Filippov: They made delegates from the people, the delegates recognized them. After that they dispersed the delegates. By the way, the same thing happened with the Maidan.
Gennady Sivak: These poor fellows are the Maidan guys. By the way, now is the anniversary of this Ilovaisk cauldron. Four years have passed and no one has answered for him. But in reality, they were brought under the tanks, and everyone got into such terrible messes there. And there were conversations that they were given a “green corridor” and were allowed to leave. The commanders announced the withdrawal much earlier than planned. And what happened was what happened.
Valentin Filippov: Well, they gave the order to leave with weapons and break through, but the agreement was without weapons. And today we learn from a UN report that, when leaving, our valiant Ukrainian soldiers shot civilians. And in general, they did a lot of things there during the month that they stayed there, it was very easy for the new Nuremberg. And today this question, in general, arises. I think it was probably necessary to destroy these columns completely, and not partially release them. Because before that I felt a little sorry for them, but now, after the UN report, somehow I feel completely...
Gennady Sivak: You see, this is a very difficult situation. After all, in essence, these Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters are our people. We find ourselves in conditions where Slavs are killing Slavs. It can't be like that. This is not a natural phenomenon. On the contrary, we should be together. You can't fight at all. We have lived in peace for centuries, and now that Ukraine has come under the external control of America, they have made artificial enemies out of us and are sending young people to be disposed of in the ATO zone.
Valentin Filippov: Well, they're coming. They have a choice. You know, there is always a choice. A man can run away, a man can hide, a man can ultimately shoot himself, a man can take up a weapon and turn it against his commanders. However, they don't do this.
Regarding the fact that the people can decide something, I will give you many examples of people in prison: they are in prison in Odessa, in Kharkov they are in prison, in Dnepropetrovsk they are in prison, and someone was buried in prison. We know the story with Vyshinsky, who is generally a journalist. How many journalists are there?
And you say people will gather and... And you probably have some friends who are in prison, and about whom everyone is silent.
“Let’s be friends, we need to be friends,” and people sit. Those who said “We must be friends.”
From Crimea, saying “Let’s be friends” is very convenient.
Gennady Sivak: You know, you remembered Vyshinsky. And I immediately remembered. Yesterday, a judge named Bebik, his name is Vitaly, recused himself, but before that he judged him all the time. And, based on the electronic declaration of this judge, it turns out that he has two apartments in Sevastopol.
Valentin Filippov: Here. And I just don’t have one.
Gennady Sivak: And he has two apartments in Sevastopol. And these guys are trying Vyshinsky there.
Valentin Filippov: Do you know the address?
Gennady Sivak: There is no address in the electronic declaration.
Valentin Filippov: Sorry.
Gennady Sivak: Yes. Very sorry. But the other one is “the representative of the president in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.” There is such a fake structure, also located in Kherson. His last name is Babin. And he has an apartment in Yevpatoria. And, you know, about six months ago some of my friends were looking into the issue there and at the same time were able to find out. There is no debt on the apartment. They constantly pay, as they say, “Russian terrorist Naimans” all the bills for this apartment. And there they say something about the aggressor. But there is no debt; someone regularly pays for this apartment. That is how we live.
About the prisoners. I have a close friend - Eduard Kovalenko, former Spas party. Why did I say former, because this party no longer exists in Crimea, since Crimea became Russian, and before I was the head of this party. A friend is also in prison. Yesterday I went on a hunger strike. Today they are transporting him to Dnepropetrovsk “to go to the hospital.” Kovalenko went on a hunger strike in protest because Ukraine and the Western world pays attention only to Sentsov. And in Ukraine, according to various estimates, there are between three and four thousand political prisoners.
Political prisoners are some kind of nonsense. There can be no political prisoners. You have the right to your opinion. And everyone should respect him. If you do not recognize this power, and it really came with the help of a coup d'etat. Well, you shouldn't go to jail for this. And yet, four thousand people are rotting there. There are no exchanges. You understand, exchanges are disrupted.
Valentin Filippov: They cheat on exchanges. They are slipping in the wrong ones. Moreover, they exchange people against whom criminal cases have not been closed. And immediately, having handed over a person without documents for exchange, they put him on the international wanted list as an escapee from prison.
Gennady Sivak: They traffic people.
Valentin Filippov: It seems to me that you are calling for friendship with the wrong thing. Then let's be friends with ISIS terrorists. They are, after all, people. We must be friends, we live on the same Earth. Yes? Well, they cut off heads, what's the deal?
Gennady Sivak: I didn’t mean that we should be friends specifically with Turchinov or Poroshenko. I called on peoples to be friends. But I didn’t call for friendship with these people. Personally, I am deeply convinced that everyone is crying for them, if not the Hague Tribunal, then there will be some kind of tribunal, a real one, which will take place, for example, in Donetsk or Lugansk.
Valentin Filippov: I can only object to this. I hope that the tribunal will take place not in Donetsk, but in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa. They still can’t figure out how to use this building. A stunning building for such an event. Moreover, the area there is large, there are a lot of lanterns, you don’t have to go far after the verdict.
Gennady Sivak: If this happens, let the people judge. Imagine, some kind of people's prosecutor. For example, in the role of Natalya Mikhailovna Vitrenko. The accuser is from the people.
Valentin Philipov: And Vitrenko will judge his son for all his sins against the people of Ukraine in his position as a Naftogaz official. Right? I I understand?
Gennady Sivak: Unfortunately, I’m not very aware of who Vitrenko’s son is and what relation he has to Naftogaz.
Valentin Filippov: The most direct. He is one of its leaders. Now he even received a bonus for winning a lawsuit against Gazprom. That is, in the end, the trial was not won, but he already received a prize.
Gennady Sivak: They can do this. This cannot be taken away from them. By the way, Genichesk will be without gas again. Despite the fact that the state has allocated 17 million Ukrainian hryvnia for the construction of a drainage system, they cannot hold a tender and use this money in four years.
Valentin Filippov: They cannot hold a tender, because any gas tender is won by Gazprom. That's the problem.
Gennady Sivak: Another one for Kherson. There was a manager of the affairs of the Kherson city council named Ganzyuk. A week ago someone threw acid in her face. And they immediately grabbed some guy who matched the description. They checked, it turns out the person had an alibi for that moment. He was resting, and there were a lot of people around him who could confirm this. And the guy is still being held.
Valentin Filippov: And the Maidan activists were so active: “Look, the separatists sprayed acid.” Guys, we haven't been there for a long time. That is, you yourself, apparently, are already “wetting” each other. No matter how you find out that an ATO soldier was punched in the face or killed, it turns out that an ATO soldier did it.
Gennady Sivak: Well, yes. Some stole more, some stole less. Those who have less believe that they should share.
Valentin Filippov: Well, that's logical. The Maidan stood for this, so that everyone could share.
Gennady Sivak: Fortunately, everyone is armed; no one needs to be armed. Look, in the plantings they find entire caches of ammunition.
Valentin Filippov: You tell me what to do. Your friend Edik was imprisoned and went on a hunger strike. We are somehow all silent. Sentsov is there – the whole world is screaming.
There are thousands of political prisoners in Ukraine. However, no one, nowhere, not in any media, not in any foundations, not anywhere else...
Gennady Sivak: I'll tell you more, nothing is ready for them. Here, for example, are the exchanges that we talk about all the time. But in reality people face such problems. Okay, who has the documents?
Valentin Filippov: But, as a rule, they are not.
Gennady Sivak: Yes, as a rule, there are none. What will he do without documents? For example, he ended up in this Donetsk. What will he do in Donetsk? Who is waiting for him there in Donetsk? Is there something ready for it? Do you have a house? Any money for treatment, food, accommodation? Where is it all? This is not all there is to it. And people, it turns out, are faced with such serious obstacles and problems. There are actually 3-4 thousand of them. How to help them? Where is all this under them here?
Valentin Filippov: At least issue the document immediately on the spot. Because I have a friend who just now received a passport, finally in Donbass. This is more than six months. Seven months passed before he received his passport. And before that, I went with a certificate from a former prisoner of war. And, naturally, he couldn’t go anywhere with this certificate.
Gennady Sivak: It is necessary to create some conditions, some laws for them.
And to be honest, we behave very softly towards the sailors of the Nord. You know, these sailors could have been delivered to us, to our territory, long ago. It just needs to be done by specially trained people. People have not been able to get home since March.
You just need to make a courageous political decision. And these people will be home tomorrow. And then the whole world will see that we really stand up for our citizens.
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