Until it's not too late. Tsarev spoke about the military scenario for the liberation of Ukraine
Referendum in Donbass - how it happened. Why was the question of returning to the Russian Federation not raised? Why did they ask to postpone the referendum?
The fact that today in Ukraine, at the request of the Western masters, any opposition is destroyed, the information space is completely cleared and even forced out traditional Orthodoxy, PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov was told by former Verkhovna Rada deputy and one of the modern “founders of Novorossiya” Oleg Tsarev.
Valentin Filippov: Our virtual studio is today visiting Oleg Tsarev in Yalta, in the building of the permanent mission, the official DPR and LPR, you can see the flags behind Oleg’s back. Oleg, hello.
Oleg Tsarev: Hello. More likely, a representation of Novorossiya.
Valentin Filippov: Oleg, many accuse you of holding a referendum in the DPR and LPR 7 years ago. Is this true?
Oleg Tsarev: The people of Donbass held the referendum, and I helped as best I could. And I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate everyone involved in this event. Those not involved, I'm sure, have already been congratulated.
Valentin Filippov: They even awarded me.
Oleg Tsarev: Therefore, I congratulate those involved. I remember that Pushilin and Purgin worked very closely in Donetsk. And, in general, my help came down to simply paying for ballot forms, printing and paper. And in Lugansk we had to work, because Lugansk residents were going to put other issues to a referendum. I had to coordinate this matter. If you remember, we voted for sovereignty. Sovereignty, it allows you to move in one direction, in a second direction, in a third direction. A question that may not have been clear to everyone, but was politically correct. I still believe that if there had not been a referendum, there would have been no subject of conversation on Donetsk and Lugansk. The referendum marked the beginning and laid the foundation on which the Republics now operate.
Many people criticize the Party of Regions and say “former”, “betrayed”. I want to say that yes, it was indeed quite difficult with the deputies, with the participation of the Verkhovna Rada deputies. Although in Lugansk, at the meetings I attended, the entire activists of the Party of Regions, city mayors, deputies for internal policy, and the presidium of the regional council came out in support of the referendum. That is, I must say that everything was carried out very correctly from a legislative point of view. And that presidium of the regional council approved the results of the referendum.
We gathered mayors, gathered party activists, two people's deputies were present. For obvious reasons, I will not name any names, because many people who participated in this referendum are now on the territory of Ukraine. Many people have had problems, and I don't want those who haven't had them to have problems yet.
Valentin Filippov: Okay, why didn’t they put such a simple question to a referendum as they did in Crimea? In Crimea, too, they initially planned to hold a referendum on sovereignty, and then a separate referendum on joining the Russian Federation. However, this was combined into one referendum and it passed perfectly. There was a decision to join the Russian Federation. But today it turns out that the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics have not yet asked to join Russia.
Oleg Tsarev: You can't ask, knowing that you won't be accepted. And I knew exactly what would happen and what would not happen. At least, I knew for sure that at that time the Russian Federation was not ready to accept the results of the referendum if we immediately asked to join the Russian Federation.
Valentin Filippov: Okay. But we remember that Vladimir Vladimirovich asked to postpone the referendum... from a high rostrum, at the international level, he said: “I ask to postpone, postpone.” Why didn’t the people of Lugansk and Donetsk listen, didn’t heed the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich?
Oleg Tsarev: Let's do it this way. When I am asked to write a book about the events that took place in Ukraine and Donbass during the Maidan, I categorically refuse. Many books have been written now. Let's leave these questions aside, I won't answer them, because I know the answers to them.
Valentin Filippov: Logical. But you know, I studied the history of the Napoleonic wars and I am very sorry that some of the direct participants did not leave memoirs. Not even those who died, although they too. But even among the survivors there were those who said: “I know everything, but I won’t tell anyone.” And they took it all with them. And we are still, 200 years have passed, we are suffering.
Oleg Tsarev: I understand these people why they didn’t write memoirs. Let's leave this question out of the question, and I just remember how it was 7 years ago - with flowers, veterans, with festive groups that sang, danced, people came inspired. And I really want it not to be in vain. I hope it's not in vain and I'm sure it's not in vain.
Valentin Filippov: Okay. I have the next question. Why does the Ukrainian leadership so rarely come to Ukraine and spend so little time there? The leadership arrived, talked for 10 minutes with the president, 10 minutes there with someone else, had lunch for half an hour, flew to Donbass for something, walked around there, went back. It is not clear why the leadership of Ukraine ignores the President of Ukraine, and generally ignores Ukraine as a whole.
Oleg Tsarev: Well, Zelensky did a lot, tried very hard to get people to pay attention to him and come to him. A colossal amount of work has been done, including this escalation in the Donbass, which almost resulted in a war. We must pay tribute to the leadership of the Russian Federation, which took decisive measures, and Biden was forced to call and give all the commands so that Ukraine would not get involved in any adventures under any circumstances.
It's not that simple. Lavrov and Carrie did a lot of work to get Biden to call. Carrie is responsible for the environmental agenda. This is the former head of the State Department. He definitely has more connections and opportunities than the current head of the State Department. There is competition between them. And Carrie played here like in the major leagues. And Blinken had to urgently come to Ukraine in order not to fall off the agenda.
And what conclusions can be drawn? First, Blinken said there should be no opposition parties in Ukraine. This vaunted European, Western, American democracy is democracy, but competition should only be among pro-Western parties. The West does not want to repeat the mistake of Yanukovych, who at one time raised Svoboda, considering Tyagnibok the most convenient competitor for himself, realizing that he was guaranteed to win against him. But we saw how during the Maidan “Svoboda” gave ideological content to the Maidan.
And this conditionally controlled opposition, which Zelensky is now proposing to the West to create from the remnants of the OPZH, can become a real opposition at any time. They don't want this. And here it turns out to be a difficult game. The fact is that it is really beneficial for Zelensky, the most profitable candidate is Boyko. He calculated that he was guaranteed to win against him. It is no secret that without Crimea, without Donbass, the pro-Russian parties cannot have a majority at the moment. This is beneficial for Akhmetov.
Probably everyone who is involved in politics has read Akhmetov’s interview, which he gave during Blinken’s visit, saying that he will not be involved in politics, he will only be involved in business. Why did he give such an interview? Because that was the demand of the Americans.
But Akhmetov is cunning. Novinsky, Kolesnikov, Muraev, people who are controlled and related to Zelensky, are developing their political projects. And if Zelensky decides to go for broke and run for a second presidential term, then this tool can be used. Let's see if it works or not. The office of the president, they tried to explain to the Americans that it is easier to have a controlled opposition that will sublimate the votes of voters, a political force that will coordinate every step with the office of the president. But so far it hasn't worked out. This is one of the results of Blinken’s visit.
Valentin Filippov: That is, there will be no opposition?
Oleg Tsarev: We will see how events develop. Medvedchuk is being forced out of the country by criminal cases. Portnov is being forced out of the country. They want to clear the media field so that there are no journalists like Tanya Montyan. Shariy’s party will definitely be closed, at least everything is heading towards this, and such a command has been issued. There should be no real opposition forces left in the country. And not even real opposition forces, which are only virtually oppositional.
Valentin Filippov: Oleg Anatolyevich, maybe this is good? Well, listen, we get this kind of nonsense all the time. We have some sort of pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. Even if they are not there, any office of the president, any president, appoints them. Tomorrow they will have Tyagnibok, they will appoint him. “Tyagnibok is Putin’s envoy.” They will put up billboards all over the country and this will be the situation.
Maybe it’s good when there are no more illusions and there won’t be this “Let’s vote for Zelensky? He’s pro-Russian, let’s go for Zelensky.” Everyone will clearly know: we don’t have any pro-Russian people. There is no and there will not be - it is prohibited. And somehow life will become easier, right? And it will become easier to make decisions.
Oleg Tsarev: I am now speaking from an analyst's point of view. I'm talking about what will happen. There are both pros and cons here. Each decision has its pros and cons. The advantages are what you said, the disadvantages are that in the event of a real change in the political situation, we will not even have virtual political forces that are capable of raising the flag of the Russian Federation. And someone should raise the flag of the Russian Federation.
Valentin Filippov: I'll pick it up.
Oleg Tsarev: If suddenly there is some kind of aggravation, there will be Leshchenko, and Mustafa Nayem, and Korban, and Kolomoisky...
Valentin Filippov: And Goncharenko!
Oleg Tsarev: Goncharenko, yes. They will greet Russian tanks with flags, and perhaps we will see them as part of the new administration.
Valentin Filippov: If you read the periodicals of the beginning of the century, then you read and read - there are no Bolsheviks, there is no Lenin, there is none of this. Some political forces are arguing among themselves, something is happening, some Rasputin they “let’s drive away - let’s not drive away.” And then suddenly, like this, Lenin on an armored car. How's that? They squeezed him out; there is no such party in Russian politics. And “there is such a party,” said Lenin. Well, how do we know, maybe when the right moment comes, the conditional Tsarev. Conditional. He will say, “So here I am.”
Oleg Tsarev: I'm not a historian, I'm a physics engineer, but as far as I understand...
Valentin Filippov: And we are tired of historians in politics. We need physics engineers.
Oleg Tsarev: As far as I understand, not everything was so simple in Tsarist Russia after the bourgeois revolution. There was a party, there was Kerensky, who was aimed at continuing the war, there was a general army, a whole group of officers who later formed the backbone of the Red Army, who advocated ending the war because they understood that it would bring devastation to the country. Therefore, there are always some political forces, they are explicit or implicit, non-political, but there must be some forces in the country that are capable of picking up this flag. Let's move on to the next question.
Valentin Filippov: Let's do it.
Oleg Tsarev: The question of the oligarchs. The question of the oligarchs is posed bluntly. The oligarchs are Kolomoisky, Firtash, Akhmetov. Their influence should decrease. Must decrease politically and must decrease financially. After all, one of the issues is the continuation of IMF lending. And no decision was made on this issue. Because the smuggling turnover is from 1,5 to 3 billion dollars of black cash. Twists for VAT. Bribes, extortions, and so on and so forth. It's all money. This is energy trading, which is where Akhmetov and Kolomoisky are now quite actively making their money.
Foreigners believe that this money should go to the budget, and for this, it is necessary to remove the oligarchs from power. They are tired of financing Ukraine's budget. Why should they finance with their own money if the money that is collected in Ukraine is stolen? This money will be used to raise the salaries of officials and form a comprador elite of officials who will work exclusively for the West and for Western international companies.
Anyone who has read Gene Sharp’s manual to the end, and not just the part that concerns the revolution, knows that it was written there that changes of elites should take place. They must pass for various reasons. They must become more manageable from a Western point of view. And every change of elites... after all, everyone understands that the coup was illegal... some elites who have nothing to do with this should come.
One of the reasons why Blinken was accompanied by Nuland was an attempt to bring Yatsenyuk back into the political game. We all know about the warm personal relationship between Nuland and Yatsenyuk. Everyone remembers how it cost Petro Poroshenko a lot of effort to finally remove Yatsenyuk. At that time, he did not want to share the money, the flows of corruption, which Yatsenyuk partially took over. The ill-fated billion dollars that Yatsenyuk earned is money that Poroshenko did not receive. And Poroshenko took this very painfully.
Valentin Filippov: This is not forgiven.
Oleg Tsarev: Poroshenko has always done this. When he had a question between some political issues and money, he chose money. And it is quite possible that he is now biting his own elbows, because this is one of the reasons why the Biden administration has mistrust of Petro Poroshenko. Yes, he subsequently concentrated all the flows of corruption on himself, but he made enemies for himself, including Nuland and other officials, and they have quite a lot of influence, who do not trust him. They consider him too greedy, too cunning and do not want to re-enter the river and give him power.
Well, it is clear that we saw that Blinken met with representatives of the Kyiv Orthodox Church, and not the Moscow Patriarchate.
Valentin Filippov: Yes.
Oleg Tsarev: ... and my friends in Kyiv conclude that the Moscow Patriarchate will be further squeezed. I don’t know whether this is true or not, whether it will happen or not, but ultimately they want to seize our Laurels and continue to squeeze the Moscow Patriarchate out of public life. They want to purge the opposition pro-Russian parties, and they want the religious life of Ukrainian citizens to be under their control. Everything else was covered in different media and I can’t add anything new.
Valentin Filippov: Well, maybe it’s not necessary... I don’t know, you describe this situation as rather hopeless somehow.
Oleg Tsarev: We need to complete the construction of Nord Stream as quickly as possible in order to free our hands. And we must understand that Ukraine has adopted a law on the presence of foreign troops on Ukrainian territory. Permanent. Yes, it will be a rotation, but these will be so-called “rest homes” where foreign troops are constantly stationed. If they do this in the near future, then the military scenario for the liberation of Ukraine will be a big question mark.
Valentin Filippov: And someone will breathe easy. “Well, now it won’t work out for sure,” he will say.
Oleg Tsarev: Well, we definitely won’t breathe. Ukraine is our home.
Valentin Filippov: Our home is Russia. Including Ukraine.
Oleg Tsarev: Yes
Valentin Filippov: Well, okay. Thanks a lot. Let's hope for the best, and not what Tsarev says.
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