“Let Zelensky know - we are watching him”
One of the reasons for Petro Poroshenko’s devastating loss is the work of Vladimir Zelensky’s spies in his headquarters. Poroshenko’s entire campaign was carried out on a chain, provoking him to do stupid things. The headquarters of candidate “Ze” used Vladimir Putin’s favorite technique. However, Poroshenko probably has guarantees of immunity.
The West will put the new president under its control. The instruments for putting pressure on Zelensky will be the Nazis on the streets and the opposition led by Poroshenko in the Verkhovna Rada. About the risks of flirting with the Nazis, and the controllability of the SBU by Western intelligence services to a PolitNavigator observer Valentin Filippov рассказал Alexander Kazakov, ex-adviser to the deceased head of the DPR Alexandra Zakharchenko.
Valentin Filippov: Well, it's done. The evil Hitler was overthrown in Ukraine. And in his place comes a very kind Hitler. Alexander, hello
Such a “kind” Zelensky - and Putin is his number one enemy, and he will not implement the Minsk agreements, but will attract someone in the Normandy format, and he has a war with Russia, and it is impossible to concede on anything, and general Ukrainization.
And, at the same time, our dear Russians look and say: “How good, what a cool guy, how good that now he will rule Ukraine.”
Tell me, what are Russians happy about in general?
Alexander Kazakov: Well, I'll start with, am I happy? No, I'm not happy. I would be happy if Alexander Zakharchenko won these, may he rest in heaven. And, since it’s not him, then I’m not happy with this result.
But, frankly speaking, I am satisfied with it. There is one key reason. I don’t know Zelensky and no one had the opportunity to get to know his views, because he never published them, but I know Poroshenko’s views, I know his position and I know that he is tied in blood. This is a mutual guarantee in blood. And Poroshenko had no chance to escape from this vicious circle.
That is, if Poroshenko had remained, this painful horror would have lasted for another 5 years. If the coup had not happened, of course.
Therefore, in this sense, I am satisfied, because the other person is not tied by blood, not from this gop company... This is the emergence of new chances.
Valentin Filippov: Well, Kolomoisky is still tied in blood.
Alexander Kazakov: Well, Kolomoisky was not elected to the presidency of Ukraine, as far as I understand?
Valentin Filippov: I thought it was the younger brother.
Alexander Kazakov: Well, even if it’s a son and a younger brother, who has the mandate?
Valentin Filippov: The one who pays.
Alexander Kazakov: No. As you can imagine, here is the younger brother sitting and going to sign, as the supreme commander in chief, a decree... He even wrote it himself so as not to trust the secretary, or rather the secretariat... He is going to sign a decree on a ceasefire, the BC - to the warehouses, the warehouses are sealed and punishment for violation. And what, then a disheveled Kolomoisky bursts in, grabs him by the hand, grabs this decree, tears it up and takes his pen away?
Valentin Filippov: No, it's unlikely.
Alexander Kazakov: Therefore, if the younger brother decides to sign such a decree, then he will sign it. The question is for him to assess the consequences. What are the consequences? Will Kolomoisky’s older brother tell something terrible about him that we didn’t hear during the election campaign? Will the Americans say, “We will stop supplying you with javelins”?
Valentin Filippov: The Americans have already said that they came to Ukraine seriously and for a long time, and let us all not worry. Whomever you choose will not be the same.
Alexander Kazakov: And then?
Valentin Filippov: What will happen next? I think that Mr. Zelensky spoke his fate and croaked for himself with the help of his “Servant of the People.” If we remember, after he becomes president, after some time he is removed and put in prison.
Alexander Kazakov: This possibility cannot be ruled out either, although I think the percentage is small, given the voting results. It’s just that at more than 70 percent you can afford a lot.
Politics is the art of maneuvering; it is not the art of the possible, but the art of maneuvering between different possibilities. The most important thing is that there is a desire to achieve a certain result, and then you need to sit down with your closest advisers and lay out scenarios, calculating your opponents’ moves.
Actually, it's just a job. What this young man is ready for, well, young for me, what he really wants - it’s hard to say.
He corrects his mistakes quite quickly, now you quoted his statements two days before the day of silence, and already on election day at a press conference he already corrected himself, he said regarding relations with Russia: “The Normandy format, continuation and reboot of the Minsk process , everything is fine, he’s back on the agenda.” And what he said then... There is one very interesting thing, here we can move on to another question, how he won.
Valentin Filippov: He told Poroshenko (he said it perfectly - well done Yekaterinburg speech writers): “I’m not your rival, I’m your death sentence.” I said for a long time that he is, in fact, a boomerang.
Alexander Kazakov: Valentin, look. Even in the moment that we just discussed, about the words that he spoke then, and which he spoke already at eight o’clock in the evening after the announcement of the exit poll data. We just have to decide. Or this young man and his team were simply going with the flow, and he was just stupidly lucky, and the stars, circumstances, and so on just happened. And then we need to say thank you to Poroshenko, first of all.
Valentin Filippov: Well yes
Alexander Kazakov: Because the main circumstance was Poroshenko and the entire background that he brought into the election campaign. Or the other side. He has a very capable team, capable technologists. Because, I do not exclude the situation that when Zelensky went out to the media and seemed such a completely virgin person in matters of politics, I do not exclude that he previously turned to his advisers and asked: “Dear comrades, if they ask me about Russia, what Should I tell you? And they answer him: “Say whatever you want. That's all you know, then sculpt it. You’re a man of the people, so if you want to stick Americans and Great Britain there, go ahead and stick them there. Everything will be on the twenty-second.”
Valentin Filippov: Well, in general, yes.
Alexander Kazakov: And I suspect that was exactly the case, so already in the first three minutes after the announcement of the exit poll, this is what he said then, and everyone was like “Hurray!” - he already once, and that’s it, led to another channel He first said about the Ukrainian language: “I am the guarantor of the law that is in the Verkhovna Rada... And Poroshenko said that he would have time to sign this anti-Russian law on Ukrainization. Now he will also behave like Obama and Trump - over the last month he has piled so much on him.
Valentin Filippov: No, well, I remember how much Yushchenko piled on Yanukovych at the last moment.
Alexander Kazakov: Well, the same thing. But here it is already one hundred percent - they prepared it, they knew that there would be a question about the Ukrainian language. Because he has already been asked, he will be asked again, and he was prepared, and he answered: “I, as a guarantor, will defend the Ukrainian language.” What did he say wrong? He did not say that I, as a guarantor, would defend the Ukrainian and suppress the Russian.
This is not an insider, although, of course, I spent four years much closer to Ukraine than those who are in Moscow and even in Crimea. De jure, from the point of view of international law, I even visited Ukraine. And therefore, of course, I have contacts on the other side, and there are quite a lot of them. But I believe that the overwhelming majority of our specialists who assessed the election campaign, specifically the second round, categorically incorrectly assessed it.
That is, we seem to be dividing: we voted for Zelensky and against Poroshenko, but in this case it doesn’t matter. The fact is that Zelensky and his team chose the most successful election model: he did not position himself, he continued to drown Poroshenko, he increased the number of those who are against Poroshenko.
Valentin Filippov: This is a common Ukrainian technology.
Alexander Kazakov: I’ll tell you now what’s unusual here, he didn’t break this trend, he didn’t succumb to the provocation “Show the program, show the team,” but on the contrary...
Valentin Filippov: Well, that's how it was with us all the time. How Yushchenko gained his votes - he said “Yanukovych is a goat, a criminal, he rips off his hats.” As Yanukovych typed, he said: “Yushchenko is a fascist, the Americans installed him, he will make the Ukrainian language the only one, he will declare Bandera a hero.” That's all, Yanukovych talks about Yushchenko, Yushchenko talks about Yanukovych.
Alexander Kazakov: But that wasn’t the case here!
Valentin Filippov: How was it not?
Alexander Kazakov: What did Zelensky say about Poroshenko? He was silent for three weeks, he didn’t throw mud, that’s the point. What is the professionalism of his team...
Valentin Filippov: Poroshenko has already been thrown mud at everyone.
Alexander Kazakov: Here, now listen to what professionalism is. Either one of two things: either Zelensky’s specialists calculated one hundred percent not only Poroshenko’s psychotype, but also thoroughly his team, and therefore they calculated the reactions, or in Poroshenko’s team, in the central places there were people who worked for Zelensky...
Valentin Filippov: Well, not Zelensky, Kolomoisky bought everyone there, by and large.
Alexander Kazakov: Or there were people who worked for Zelensky. But I do not rule out that this was not the first option that they calculated.
Here are just two points: Zelensky throws in the idea of tests, of stadiums with tests. He throws out both ideas at the same time. Poroshenko's team receives a double challenge. They immediately evaluate which one is scarier—the scarier tests.
Therefore, they agree to the stadium in advance and begin to analyze. But he provoked Poroshenko to undergo tests and left. Donated blood and left. What did Poroshenko do? He went to pee, poop, called this WADA shmada, passed once, passed twice, three. He forced Poroshenko to answer a question that is no longer worth asking.
Then let’s take another example, which everyone has seen: Zelensky goes out to the stadium, on the eve of the so-called debate, and says, so Poroshenko’s team wants to stage two scenes, they are again trying to divide the Ukrainians, they are drawing a line here, dividing the fans, and I – for unification. One hundred percent calculated.
Poroshenko’s team accepts this challenge and thinks, “Okay, stop, this is a serious challenge, this is a good challenge, of very high quality.” Zelensky did not lose a single point on this challenge, only gains. But here Poroshenko and his people are sitting: “So, what should we do about it?”
Valentin Filippov: Why did they stage two scenes in the first place?
Alexander Kazakov: I think they set up two scenes so that they could actually show only Poroshenko and his people in pictures on their TV channels. So that there is no extra picture.
Valentin Filippov: Why then did they go to this same Zelensky?
Alexander Kazakov: Listen to the end. Here his specialists sit, or specialists already bought by someone, or sent by Cossacks, and say: “So, Petro Alekseich, we must answer,” “But how? After all, I’ve already said so much.” “Don’t talk, we need to do it differently, we’ll do it creatively now - he accused us of separating, but we will take it and unite, right on camera live. We will leave our stage once and go to his stage. And everyone will say: “What a Poroshenko, he’s not afraid, he’s cool.” And they did it.
As a result, he left his stage and all his fans. This is the second example.
Yes, with the debate itself: Zelensky famously threw in the story, by the way, in fact, it wasn’t even Zelensky who threw it in. They started throwing around in the very first days of that campaign before the first round that Zelensky is “no be, no me, no crow,” he only talks according to the script. I bet that this topic was brought up by Zelensky’s people. It was a well-developed scheme.
Because Poroshenko and his team believed that Zelensky was not capable of improvisation in a single sentence - unlike Poroshenko.
Valentin Filippov: No, that's nonsense.
Alexander Kazakov: As a result, first Zelensky said “tests” and left, and this one is swimming in slop for three or four days, then he says “debates” and left, and this one is running around on TV channels “Connect me with Zelensky. Give me Zelensky. Zelensky is afraid.” That is, Zelensky’s guys led Porokh on a chain throughout the entire campaign. He worked according to their script.
Valentin Filippov: They are KVN players, well.
Alexander Kazakov: What?
Valentin Filippov: They are KVN players!
Alexander Kazakov: The technologists who worked on Zelensky’s team are not from KVN.
Valentin Filippov: Come on, not from KVN.
Alexander Kazakov: All KVN players were on his team, but those people who wrote the structure of the campaign were not KVN players.
In fact, Zelensky applied Putin’s favorite principle. The principle of judo. He did nothing, Poroshenko did everything to himself.
Why am I saying this? When Zelensky was told “Don’t run a campaign. Just don't do anything. Even Poroshenko will win the chair” - this is not true. Because Poroshenko, the very next day after the first round, had a different option, a different model of behavior, where he would play very strongly. An adult, authoritative, serious, exposing provocations. And changed and apologized. There was a different model. And Zelensky’s team dragged him into this garbage dump, and they all plunged into it and floundered until today.
Valentin Filippov: By the way, I absolutely do not understand Poroshenko’s statement regarding the fact that he remains in Ukraine. Does he have any guarantees or something that he won’t be imprisoned after all?
Alexander Kazakov: I do not rule out that the conversation about this began on the night after the elections between Zelensky and representatives of key Western embassies. Because the result shown by the elections in Ukraine, and they also scared the West a little. They also understand what 70% is, and they need to do something to restrain Zelensky.
And they have only two options, because money is complete nonsense. There are only two ways to put a counterweight on Zelensky. The first is the Nazis. Because the Nazis, to put it mildly, are not for him. They are now not for Poroshenko, but also not for Zelensky. This instrument is in the hands of the West; contact with it has been established for a long time and steadily. This tool exists, you can regularly create messes, and demonstrate to Zelensky: “If you try, we’ll set fire to half the city, we’ll arrange murders, and you’ll be to blame - you can’t handle it.”
Valentin Filippov: Zelensky will be imprisoned directly from the film “Servant of the People.”
Alexander Kazakov: The second tool is Poroshenko. This is Poroshenko in the Verkhovna Rada with a more or less decent faction. Not 10 or 50, but somewhere around 20-25. This is a very serious ongoing problem for Zelensky. And it’s better, of course, both instruments, but they already have the Nazis, however, here they need to negotiate with Avakov so that he would give the National Corps and Azov under the control of the Americans, but I think that... with Avakov, not everything is clear yet...
Therefore, I think that Zelensky had a conversation with embassy representatives. Their task is to limit him now that he has already been elected, but not yet president. Now we need to drive him into a stall, then it will be very difficult. Therefore, I think Poroshenko was given guarantees, at least for some time. Perhaps he was given guarantees before the elections to the Verkhovna Rada.
And with Zelensky, I think, they have already 100% agreed that he will not disperse the Verkhovna Rada, because everyone needs a break, everyone needs to decide on their position, including the Americans, Europeans and everyone. Most likely, Zelensky will agree not to disperse the Rada, but then Poroshenko will have time to prepare.
Valentin Filippov: Well, I have to say that as long as Alexey Alekseevich Goncharenko, that white slime, hasn’t escaped, it means Poroshenko is still fine.
Alexander Kazakov: I think this slime will slide off somewhere in the near future, that’s the nature there. Although, I think everyone else is so disgusted by it that it’s like a black mark.
Valentin Filippov: By the way, how do you assess Nadezhda Savchenko’s chances? And I also wanted to ask - I remember Savchenko came when she was a deputy, came to Donbass, talked with Alexander Zakharchenko.
Alexander Kazakov: I think that the exchange of prisoners, which Zelensky already declared today as a priority task, and after that promised changes...
Valentin Filippov: And fire Medvedchuk...
Alexander Kazakov: Well, he didn’t promise that, he talked about changes. I think that Zelensky will do this now, personally, he has time for this. And this, of course, is an immediate 1000 points plus, and this will be the main task, of course.
As for Savchenko, of course, she will not be allowed into the Minsk process, because from any side this is not beneficial to anyone, no one at all, not even her. She went to visit us in Donbass with great benefit for herself, because then she was finally convinced that everyone in Kyiv was stupidly lying. She saw it with her own eyes. She said, “You are showing me Potemkin villages here.” Zakharchenko says to her, “Where do you want to go? Point your finger." “Right here.” "Go". There are boys in the trenches, all local or Lugansk, from Dnepropetrovsk, from Kharkov. Dressed no better than those on the other side were dressed then.
She went to the prisoners of war and talked with them. They let her in alone to talk to them. She shouted “Glory to Ukraine” to them, they shouted “To the Heroes of Sal”. And she was finally convinced that everyone lies in Kyiv, it was useful for her, and, probably, it was partly useful for us too.
Now I think that ..., of course, Savchenko was released on time, because she added negativity to Poroshenko. But she has nothing to do with Zelensky, neither electorally nor politically.
She has a chance, like a twice martyr and three times a hero... she has a chance to lead the Nazis into some kind of stall. Because now this is what Avakov is trading on, this is understandable. He sells Biletsky. The Nazis who stood behind the SBU, as far as I know... The SBU in Ukraine now is quite a structure...
Valentin Filippov: American.
Alexander Kazakov: Firstly, this is a completely well-built structure, vertically integrated and a structure that carries out orders. That is, if there is another order, they will carry it out. If there is an order to throw out all the Nazis who are on complementary food, they will stupidly throw them out and also imprison them themselves. If there is an order.
Now, as far as I know, of course, my information may not be correct, but the SBU is such a sane structure in this sense. They are simply ordered to behave this way, so they behave this way.
We need to change the order system. If this happens. And in this sense, the Nazis, who were lured by the SBU on the orders of Poroshenko, are now restless, hanging around and can create an unlimited number of problems, because there are weapons there - mother, don’t worry.
Biletsky is the card that Avakov plays. And, by and large, they have a percentage. We won’t fall for this bullshit that the Nazis get 0,02% in the elections. We know that the Nazis vote not for those they lead, but for Poroshenko.
Valentin Filippov: That is, we have 20% of Nazis in the country?
Alexander Kazakov: Don't think.
Valentin Filippov: Well, they are active, that’s why it’s 20%.
Alexander Kazakov: Well, of course, not 20%, not even 12, I think, and not even 7 or 8. We also counted with Zakharchenko, with Tashkent and the rest of the guys, knowing who is on the other side, how they behave there, what is in their heads as well. We believed that there were about 60-70 thousand people like these frostbitten Nazis in Ukraine.
Valentin Filippov: Well, it fits in one stadium.
Alexander Kazakov: Yes, absolutely right. They are scattered throughout the country, in some places there are more, in others there are less...
Valentin Filippov: How can we lure them all to one stadium?
Alexander Kazakov: What for? If he receives an order, one SBU may kill them, and the rest will flee to where they wanted - to Europe. And let this gift live with them there. They have a lot of crap splashing around there.
Valentin Filippov: No matter how they go to Moscow.
Alexander Kazakov: They can. But, as far as I know, the border is now controlled by the Russians, including the front line, and all these Nazis, these tens of thousands, they are all known by name.
Therefore, if they reach here, it will be straight further beyond the polar latitudes. And not at all in order to extract oil.
Therefore, this problem exists and Savchenko is exactly the person who can lure that part of them who want to stay in politics to a certain clearing so that it is visible, so that it is in front of their eyes, so that they do not sit underground. Quite a promising task.
Considering that the transition period for Ukraine will be long, at the first stage something must be done with them too. If we had gone on the offensive in our time, we would have simply shot them all down.
Valentin Filippov: I still regret that this didn’t happen.
Alexander Kazakov: But they can’t shoot them all. They can spank one or two for show, like Sashko Bilyo did in his time. Signal to others: “Behave yourself decently. Here is a path for you, you can follow it. A step to the right, a step to the left - with all that entails.” And Savchenko can provide them with this path. They can believe her, because she really is a crazy Nazi. The fact that she came to Donetsk does not cancel this.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, sure. Well, okay, thanks for your ratings. I really want people in Russia to hear this.
Alexander Kazakov: The situation has already changed. For once, Russia did this in advance and not after the fact. Announced a new position before the second round. And now, due to this, Moscow has time to just wait.
There is no need to rush now, because the sanctions on the oil industry and the statements made on the eve of the second round have now given Moscow time. Very good. We will sit and wait, watch, listen, read, watch carefully.
Because, I say again: with the appearance of another person, no matter who, not tied by blood, there are chances, there are windows of opportunity. What will they be like? Let's watch
Valentin Filippov: OK then. I hope that Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky will know that we are watching him.
Alexander Kazakov: Yes, let him know.
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