Change of government of Ukraine. Zelensky in search of money and ratings

The new government of Ukraine can be headed by Sergei Tigipko. Or Valery Khoroshkovsky. Or Arsen Avakov. Or Yulia Tymoshenko. Or Dubilet with a Club. It all depends on Soros. Or from the IMF. Or from Kolomoisky. Or from Giuliani.

The government could include Zerkal, Shmygal, Solsky, Vitrenko, Demchenko, Umansky, Stepanov, Palitsa, Grinevich, Tretyakova. Oleg Tsarev, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of four convocations who supported the Russian Spring, told PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov who all these people are.

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Valentin Filippov: Hello, dear TV viewers, YouTube viewers, Internet viewers, as well as readers of PolitNavigator. Our guest, as always, is Oleg Tsarev. Oleg, hello.

Oleg Tsarev: Hello, Valentin.

Valentin Filippov: Oleg, please tell me the appearance of Sergei Tigipko in the information field of Ukraine - is he reminding of himself, or are they scaring someone? Although, I don’t know, he’s not scary at all. Or is it serious that he will represent the interests of one of the current centers of power in Ukraine and beyond?

Oleg Tsarev: What I like about Ukraine is that we always knew everything there, everything that was happening. We knew who visited the next president there, who started him, what they talked about, what money would be shared, who would be appointed where, and why this would happen.

Valentin Filippov: The first sign of democracy.

Oleg Tsarev: Yes. Because it’s a small country, and we kind of lived in it and understood everything perfectly. In Russia it is a little different. Here, even people close to the head of state do not always know what will happen. Well, at least according to the change of prime minister that was in Russia.

I know that the mayor of one of the large cities in the Russian Federation until recently believed that it would be him. For him, when Medvedev resigned, well, well, let’s do it, here it is...

Valentin Filippov: "I agree".

Oleg Tsarev: It turned out that it was not so. Here. Therefore, in Ukraine, yes, many people talk about Tigipko, and they say it for good reason. Why? I'll explain now. Yes, indeed, Zelensky, this has been talked about many times, about four times already discussed, just like that, within Zelensky’s team, if you remember the past time, the possibility of resignation of the current prime minister.

They talked about this very actively after this scandal with wiretapping in Goncharuk’s office. You remember that then the IMF, Soros, Pinchuk, Kuchma, the World Bank was involved, all the tools were used to ensure that Goncharuk stayed.

But, nevertheless, everyone after that had no doubt that he would be changed.

So, in general, now the topic has come up again that the prime minister needs to be changed, again Soros is categorically against it, and all these financial institutions that I have listed are also categorically against it. They say that the prime minister needs to be changed, we do not object to replacing the prime minister, we will even find you someone to replace this prime minister.

Valentin Filippov: Yes, well, naturally. Who else will find him?

Oleg Tsarev: Here. Don’t worry, yes, you won’t be left without attention, but we would like the current prime minister to leave after he completes two tasks: he votes on the land law in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, it will be voted on under him, and the law will be passed and adopted on the ban on the reprivatization of Privatbank, so that Kolomoisky, through court decisions, would not be able to become the owner of Privatbank again, because the Soros team has far-reaching plans for him, for this bank. Here.

However, now there is talk again about replacing the current prime minister. They arise for several reasons. First: Zelensky’s rating is falling. Zelensky is sure that he is collapsing because of the government’s actions. It is not so important what is actually happening here; the most important thing is that Zelensky himself is really sure that the drop in his rating is mainly due to the actions or inaction of Goncharuk. As they say, when Medvedev was dismissed, he said: “Well, how can this be? I didn’t do anything.”

Valentin Filippov: Logically, yes.

Oleg Tsarev: Here Zelensky believes that his rating is falling. This is the first reason. The second reason is that production is actually falling. Industrial production in Ukraine has been falling for the seventh month now, and it is falling in fairly large numbers. And nothing indicates that the situation will change and growth will occur.

Personal incomes are falling, even agriculture is falling, not by large percentages, but still falling. Both in the west and in the east. And Zelensky believes that this is the government’s action. Or rather, inaction.

Therefore, various options are being discussed. What is the list of who is on this team, who can be matched now, who is being discussed for the position of prime minister? Well, let me try to call it by rating, so as not to confuse the viewer.

Valentin Filippov: Yes. Let's.

Oleg Tsarev: I will name Tigipko number one, and immediately move on to Khoroshkovsky, and then return to Tigipko.

Valentin Filippov: Agreed.

Oleg Tsarev: So, number one is Tigipko, number two is Khoroshkovsky. Why Khoroshkovsky? Because Khoroshkovsky was one of the sponsors of the presidential campaign, serious financial sponsors, no less, according to some comrades, more than Igor Valerievich, and received nothing at all as a result of this section, in general, of coming to power . He made a mistake and went abroad immediately after the presidential elections...

Valentin Filippov: Celebrate.

Oleg Tsarev: ... then after a while I arrived, it was already late, Bogdan was appointed. In general, he was promised the position of prime minister, then they promised him, well, the prime minister doesn’t work out, you’ll get the head of the SBU, they didn’t give him the head of the SBU, then they said that, well, customs will definitely be behind you, they didn’t give him the head of customs. And he is, in general, in the shadows all the time.

And Valery approached the president with such a proposal. If you know, Zelensky’s team has had serious funding shortages over the last couple of months. Deputies in the Verkhovna Rada are suffering, in the Servant of the People, they have stopped giving them envelopes. Yes, they were given, there, from 5 to 10 thousand dollars, depending on their status and tasks, they were given envelopes. Who has more, there, on rare occasions. But they didn’t receive it for a couple of months...

Valentin Filippov: Was it given to them per month or for voting?

Oleg Tsarev: Per month. Therefore, Khoroshkovsky said that... Yes, there is an election campaign, local elections, and money is needed. Khoroshkovsky said: “I am immediately ready to contribute $300 million to local elections on the day of my appointment. I am ready to provide up to 2 billion a year in black cash, that is, cash, for all kinds of political projects: for the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, for elections, re-elections, for political projects, for the media, and so on and so forth. And thirdly, I am ready to ensure Inter’s loyalty.” Here are these three facts.

Well, and fourthly, Zelensky is sure that, of course, and importantly, Khoroshkovsky is more professional than Goncharuk. And this is undeniable.

Valentin Filippov: Well, yes. But what will scooter manufacturers say?

Oleg Tsarev: Moreover, Khoroshkovsky said that, in principle, I am ready to ensure this entire pool, which I named, these four points, in the event that even if I am not the prime minister, but I will be the head of customs, and the SBU will not interfere, or I I will be the head of the SBU and will control...

Valentin Filippov: Customs.

Oleg Tsarev: ...customs, yes. I have already said that for all the times of Ukraine’s independence, no matter how they tried to fight smuggling there, no matter who was in power, from one and a half to more than two billion dollars was income from smuggling. Moreover, this is a separate issue of drug trafficking and all sorts of heavy things like that. And this is purely legal smuggling. And pay attention - money from smuggling is very good for the authorities, because, well, there are practically no traces left.

Valentin Filippov: Well yes.

Oleg Tsarev: That is, it’s not that Poroshenko stole from the defense industry.

Valentin Filippov: From the budget.

Oleg Tsarev: That is, they stayed there... the prices were inflated, the companies were clear, there were offshore companies, the money passed through and still, in general, please, you can initiate criminal cases. There is no.

Valentin Filippov: In all centuries, as far as I understand, robbery on the road was the very thing... And this is what they did in the mountains in the Caucasus, this is what Ukraine does. Basically, it's highway robbery, right? That is, people bring something, and we collect it.

Oleg Tsarev: As a deputy, a member of the committee on tax and customs policy, being one of the authors of the customs code, at one time I tried to force customs to conduct monthly reconciliations for at least countries whose main turnover is annual turnover with Ukraine. I couldn’t do it; I couldn’t force, for example, once a month border guards or customs officers to check the quantity and cost of cargo that comes, for example, from Poland to Ukraine. They categorically did not want to do this.

Valentin Filippov: Well, of course, well, excuse me please.

Oleg Tsarev: Because... well, everything is clear.

Valentin Filippov: There are many of you deputies, but we have only one customs office.

Oleg Tsarev: Yes. Here. So this is the situation. So what is working against Khoroshkovsky? Everything seems to be fine with him: Zelensky likes it and offers a good package. Avakov and Kolomoisky are categorically against it. Categorically. Well, the rest of the oligarchs don’t like him either. If we take the following candidates, in order, the first is Tigipko, the second is Khoroshkovsky, the third is Avakov...

Valentin Filippov: Well it is clear.

Oleg Tsarev: Well, we talked about this, we won’t repeat it. Tymoshenko. Please note, despite the fact that Tymoshenko is very actively offering herself to Zelensky. She goes on television almost every day and works for the resignation of both the authorities and Zelensky, and, nevertheless, she immediately broadcasts on all channels: “But if you make me prime minister, the situation will be completely different.” All these candidates: Khoroshkovsky, Avakov, Tymoshenko, Zelensky’s entourage is categorically opposed. Why? Because they understand that these are strong premieres.

Valentin Filippov: Well yes.

Oleg Tsarev: Zelensky’s entourage believes that it is high time for them to become representatives of the new elite of Ukraine. You will remember how under Yanukovych a number of oligarchs quickly exploded, they broke out...

Valentin Filippov: To Bablonauts. Friedman space.

Oleg Tsarev: Yes. But they can't do it. You may laugh, but the schemes that Yatsenyuk debugged are still working, and Yatsenyuk gets money from them.

Valentin Filippov: Clear.

Oleg Tsarev: Poroshenko, Soros, OGVZ trade, domestic government bonds, Ukroboronexport, Abromavicius, sorry, it’s hard to pronounce...

Valentin Filippov: I wouldn't say it either.

Oleg Tsarev: ...sold a record $4 billion worth of weapons from Ukraine, soon there will be nothing to defend against the aggressor.

Valentin Filippov: Oh, excuse me, they didn’t sell it to Donbass? No?

Oleg Tsarev: No. Sold through Soros channels to hot spots in Africa, Asia, Syria, Libya. And they made monstrous money. Everyone except Zelensky’s entourage.

Valentin Filippov: Well, you listed a bunch of candidates for prime minister. Yes? But Khoroshkovsky, at least he gives Zelensky money for this. And what do the others offer him for this?

Oleg Tsarev: Well, everyone offers some nice things.

Valentin Filippov: Buns.

Oleg Tsarev: Buns, yes. Therefore, they understand that if there is someone from the above list, then there will be no money, there will be no money...

Valentin Filippov: Yes, that’s what I’m actually talking about.

Oleg Tsarev: ... there will be no influence, and they categorically oppose it. That is why Tigipko, returning to Tigipko, is, well, quite a compromise and suits all candidates. He arranges Zelensky’s entourage.

Valentin Filippov: So.

Oleg Tsarev: He suits Pinchuk. You will remember that Pinchuk was a deputy in the Labor Ukraine faction, when he was the head of the Tigipko faction in Labor Ukraine. Pinchuk built a relationship between Tigipko and Soros, and Soros today, in principle, is ready to support Tigipko. Kuchma is campaigning for Tigipko. Razumkov, the elder Razumkov, was Kuchma's first aide, and his son today heads Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada.

As for Khoroshkovsky, he and Tigipko were, in general, in the “Winter Generation”, well, Tigipko was not, but they were kind of close. And no one objects to him, he suits everyone. Yes, Tigipko was one of the founders of Privatbank, at the beginning, then his share was bought out, and he has an excellent relationship with Igor Valerievich Kolomoisky. Here.

Now everyone supports him, and from this point of view, Khoroshkovsky is ready to fulfill all his wishes if, in general, Tigipko is the leader. Yes, he says, I’ll build a normal relationship with him, everything will be fine. So this is the situation. That is why Tigipko is number one on today's list. Who else do we have? Well, between Avakov and Tymoshenko, I would write down Dubilet.

Valentin Filippov: The surname is good.

Oleg Tsarev: The son of the elder Dubilet, who was the head of Privatbank under Igor Valerievich Kolomoisky and now heads the Cabinet of Ministers. Why Dubilet there and not someone else?

In fact, there should have been at least another name there, maybe even a few points higher, this is Bogdan. When Bogdan resigned, the possibility of his appointment as prime minister was discussed with him. He is quite tough, aggressive, he performed a number of tasks quite effectively for Zelensky.

Why not Bogdan? The fact is that after Bogdan resigned, and even worse, he went on vacation, which should not have been done under any circumstances, but it was necessary to be next to Zelensky and remind him of his presence in every possible way, the new leadership in the Office The president compiled a list of people who need to be replaced, like Bogdan’s people. Well, we have a clan system...

Valentin Filippov: Yes. Tape, damn it.

Oleg Tsarev: Yes. People come in clans, everyone puts their own. Here. And in this sense, when the lists were compiled, the lists were among employees of the Office of the President, the government, and people in the regions. Bogdan, as you understand, appointed a lot of people. So, everyone knew that there would be mass layoffs.

Valentin Filippov: Except Bogdan.

Oleg Tsarev: And some of the people from Bogdan’s former entourage came to the new leadership and said that “We are outraged by Bogdan’s actions, he is a corrupt official, he did everything wrong.”

Valentin Filippov: Yes.

Oleg Tsarev: Not only did they say, they brought a number of businessmen. In three cases I just know for sure personally. One gave 300 thousand dollars, another gave 5 million dollars, one gave 15 million dollars. The last one is for personnel appointment. He wasn't the one appointed.

Valentin Filippov: Well, listen, if they gave me so much money, I would also go on vacation. I understand him perfectly.

Oleg Tsarev: This is not the money. Well, what is 15 million dollars when the country was sitting on streams and...

Valentin Filippov: Why does a person need more? Right? He left for himself. So he left Ukraine for himself, and that’s it. He can do everything. He can go anywhere, he can go to St. Petersburg, maybe to Israel, maybe to the States. Alright enough. Me with my beggarly approach...

Oleg Tsarev: That's for sure. Yes. It was Yanukovych who once spoke to us and said: “What outrages me most is the tweezers. The pluckers steal: they pinch off here, they pinch off there. That's not how it's done. We need to create a system, flows.” And so on. Smart people do this, and Zelensky’s team, unfortunately, is still doing this...

Valentin Filippov: Bye tweezers.

Oleg Tsarev: Yes, bye tweezers. So, due to the fact that people’s issues were not resolved, and Bogdan refused to return the money, and there were those who led these people by the hand, they were brought to Zelensky, and these were no longer just conversations, these were already concrete people, who said: “Yes, then and then, such and such, I am outraged, I handed over the money, I was not appointed.” Here. For this reason, in general, Bogdan’s chances fell.

And, in view of everything that we are now considering, we will talk about this at the end, Zelensky believes that in general in the government that should be there, there will be one prime minister, another or a third, but it should represent the maximum of organized crime groups, or financially industrial groups, or oligarchs. And therefore Kolomoisky has a whole pool of candidates for prime minister and people whom he is ready to put in the government.

This... is now headed, taking into account the downgrade of Bogdan’s rating, by his Dubilet. In addition, there is Yuri Vitrenko, Palitsa.

Valentin Filippov: Sorry. I have a question about Vitrenko. Will it not be psychologically very difficult if Vitrenko is the Prime Minister of Ukraine? It’s just that the surname will be hard to perceive...

Oleg Tsarev: ...the electorate of former progressive socialists.

Valentin Filippov: And not only. I think these too. Because “Vitrenko” still sounds and you think “Yoly-paly.” And when there is talk about how this handsome guy, Kobolev, is transferring a prize to his mother in America, but I’m interested in Vitrenko for his mother...

Oleg Tsarev: ...he takes care of his mother, everything is right, he’s a good son.

Valentin Filippov: Here is Vitrenko, is he transferring the bonus to his mother?

Oleg Tsarev: We'll watch this. What do you mean we get? That is, here comes a whole pool of candidates from Kolomoisky. It’s very bad that Oleg Dubina was among all these people. I once said that he was initially considered for the post of Prime Minister, he is a fairly strong business executive, was the head of a plant, and is very well versed in NJSC Naftegaz. In general, of the galaxy of strong managers, he is probably the only one left. Moreover, for a number of reasons, he never applied for the position of first person, and in principle, Zelensky should have been satisfied. He knows many people, many of the oligarchs treat him well. Unfortunately, he is, in general, in the middle of the list, although he, as a technician, could move the situation forward quite well.

From Rinat Akhmetov, unfortunately, I can’t remember his last name now, he was recently appointed Deputy Prime Minister for the Fuel and Energy Complex...

Valentin Filippov: You are the one who is following Ukraine, I am not.

Oleg Tsarev: ...he is also a candidate for the post of prime minister, also in the pool. There is also a candidate from Soros, that’s when I said that Soros will not forget us, if it is necessary to change the prime minister, he has a candidate - this is Anastasia Magonova, she, in principle, actually works for Goncharuk, makes all the presentations...

Valentin Filippov: Slides, yes, we know.

Oleg Tsarev: ... calligraphic handwriting, in general, everything in order to ...

Valentin Filippov: Wait, who is “looking for a country similar to Ukraine to see what they did there” in order to...?

Oleg Tsarev: Now I’m joking, but in fact, if it were true, I’m not a supporter, an adherent of Soros, but if instead of Goncharuk there had been Anastasia Magonova, then the situation would definitely not have been so deplorable. She is really more professional, active, I would put her at the end of the list.

Thus, Soros has two candidates - Tigipko and Magonova.

When I spoke for Rinat Akhmetov, his situation... he is, of course, a very talented person, but the power is changing, and he is always close to the power. And it just so happened that this was the only case when he did not advertise or sponsor the future president. But, nevertheless, time passed, he built a relationship with Zelensky, he took advantage of the fact that there was this pause in the financing of a number of Zelensky’s projects, and helped a little.

I want to say that Rinat’s situation in general is very difficult. 8 billion dollars - loans, loans taken at 8 to 10% per annum, foreign currency loan, they must be repaid, every year 400 million in real money must be found and repaid in order not to become bankrupt. He needs to constantly be on good terms with the authorities.

And so they lived in perfect harmony with Petro Poroshenko. Now Zelensky has arrived. He took advantage of the fact that Bogdan left, the break with money, and the fact that Kolomoisky broke pots with Zelensky. And Rinat became closer.

What Rinat promised. Well, of course, media support for Zelensky. He promised financial support to finance the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. He said that since Surkov had left, with whom he did not find a common language, he was ready to deal with Donbass.

Valentin Filippov: Yes, I heard.

Oleg Tsarev: He is ready, in general, if there is reintegration of Donbass, albeit to varying degrees, if complete, then there is no question, he is ready to take the region completely under his supervision and bring it under the flags of Ukraine.

If this is simply a return of economic cooperation, then under the condition that the border with Donbass will be unblocked, he will demand the return of his enterprises, he promised that he will invest in these enterprises, launch them, pay salaries, and pay taxes.

And it is quite possible that the Russian leadership will agree to this. Because we all know that the economic situation in Donbass is, well, not very good, and wages are not very good.

Valentin Filippov: You mentioned Surkov. Surkov says that in 13, feeling that there would be problems with Ukraine, there would be confrontation, he went to work in the Ukrainian direction, and there was a serious battle with the West. Could the situation have gotten even worse? Did Surkov save us from something worse?

Oleg Tsarev: Sometimes it seems to me that the situation is so bad that..... and for it to become so bad, you had to, well, manage to do it. Every time we had to make a decision, choose from two options, the wrong one was always chosen in order to get what we got today. In relations between Russia and Ukraine.

Valentin Filippov: Fine. I am now, the last one...

Oleg Tsarev: Valentin, don’t distract me, we are discussing the government.

Valentin Filippov: Government?

Oleg Tsarev: Vladislav Yuryevich - this is a good question...

Valentin Filippov: No, I just wanted to say that Surkov is now saying that only force is now possible. Maybe the government will do the same... by force... We will appoint Surkov to the government of Ukraine. Okay, that's it, I'll keep quiet.

Oleg Tsarev: Well, that’s very good, yes, it would have been better if he had said this when, in general, he was responsible for the Ukrainian direction, it would have been better if he had done something in this direction.

This is the situation according to Rinat. We went through the list. What else would I like to say? I can, in principle, voice one of the government’s lists, which was discussed and literally yesterday was on Zelensky’s table.

Yes, now in the morning I went online, and I saw the same list in one of the telegram channels. In general, I confirm... I’m not saying that it’s not a fact that this decision will be made with this composition, but I confirm that this list is genuine, because I received it through completely different channels, and much earlier than it was published.

Prime Minister Sergei Tigipko is an ideal candidate. Deputy Prime Minister for Law Enforcement, Vice Minister of Internal Affairs - Arsen Avakov. We once said that if there is a nuclear winter in Ukraine, everyone will die, only cockroaches will remain...

Valentin Filippov: And Avakov.

Oleg Tsarev: And Avakov, yes. Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Euro-Atlantic Integration – Zerkal Lana. Deputy Prime Minister of Development of Local Councils of Communities and Territories – Shmygal Denis. Kolomoisky's candidacy, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Infrastructure Igor Palitsa, you know him.

Valentin Filippov: The club is familiar to us, yes.

Oleg Tsarev: Was the governor of the Odessa region. In Odessa, Kolomoisky had his own interests. The Minister of Economic Development and Trade is Alexander Shlapak, he has good relations with Tigipko. Minister of Agriculture - Solsky Nikolay. Minister of Energy and Environmental Protection – Yuriy Vitrenko. Minister of Foreign Affairs Demchenko Ruslan. The Minister of Finance is Igor Umansky, Andrey Ermak is lobbying him. The Minister of Education is considering the possibility of returning Liliya Grinevich. Minister of Health – Stepanov Maxim. Minister of Social Policy - Galina Tretyakova, this is also the candidacy of Andrei Ermak...

Valentin Filippov: Listen, two former governors of Odessa fit right in...

Oleg Tsarev: Yes Yes. But you must admit that there are also many candidates from the Dnepropetrovsk clan.

Valentin Filippov: And Vitrenko Yuri Natalevich.

Oleg Tsarev: What do we see? We see that Zelensky wants to involve financial and industrial groups in... give them... That is, firstly, he wants people to be responsible for the directions quite professionally. This is the first one. Sergei Tigipko is a compromise figure, this is the second. And thirdly, he distributes his directions to all financial and industrial groups.

Why is he doing this? Because financial and industrial groups will try to save themselves. Ukraine is now really in a difficult situation. Oligarchs own media resources. According to various estimates, the oligarchs' enterprises produce 40 or more of Ukraine's gross product.

That is, having appointed their ministers, they will ensure that their enterprises work, which means there will be jobs, there will be taxes, and so on. Is this government capable of radically changing the situation?

Valentin Filippov: No.

Oleg Tsarev: I believe that it can slow down the fall. Indeed, it is capable, because it will probably not be worse than the current government, no matter who is appointed. Still, these people have their advantages, and yet the oligarchs are really concerned about the situation in Ukraine.

I have already said that Zelensky’s prospects are now quite difficult: production is falling, there is no money being collected for the budget, personnel are placed all around, but not him. The only security force he has is Bakanov, and even then he can’t figure it out in his SBU. And among... The government is not his, there are practically no people in the government.

If you take... he simply brought an amazingly large force - the “Servant of the People” into parliament, if you throw out the people of Kolomoisky, Avakov, and there was Ilya Pavlyuk, a smuggler, yes, this is an incorrect name, it’s the same as calling a black man a black man in America, a person in charge of customs.

Valentin Filippov: Ukrainian customs officer.

Oleg Tsarev: Yes Yes. Well, there will be very few people there who are oriented towards Zelensky. And in general, he has a situation: his rating is falling, Trump tells him on all channels: “Negotiate with the Russian Federation,” but he cannot negotiate, because inside of him he immediately... they will call it zrada, zrada zrada.

And this is the situation. Ermak, Bakanov, Razumovsky, Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, then, and don’t fall off your chair, Klitschko. They united, in general... Yes, Razumkov. And no matter how they were unable to unite before, many worked against Zelensky, Zelensky against them. Now we have such a core, but it is extremely small in number.

Yes, Rudolph Giuliani is working quite actively with this core, through certain people, through Sam Kislin and so on. Yes, these people have access to responsible officials of the presidential administration of the Russian Federation who are involved in Ukraine, and they hope that they will be able to fruitfully resolve some issues, coordinate, and so on.

But their corridor of opportunity is extremely narrow. Therefore, no matter how the situation develops, whether this replacement is chosen now, this replacement will take place, this government will be replaced according to the list that I announced, or there will be some other candidates, I believe that we can only slow down the fall of Zelensky. His rating will fall, he will definitely not be re-elected for a second term, God grant that he serves his first term, the people will be poor, leave Ukraine, if they sell the land, then, in general, Ukraine will will not be.

Valentin Filippov: Your words would be up to God so that it would not exist. Okay, I'm kidding, sorry. So, thank you for the information, unexpected as always and... Is it good that the government will change or not?

Oleg Tsarev: Wait. If Soros allows it. If my senior comrades allow it.

Valentin Filippov: Well then fine. Let's wait to see what our senior comrades say.