Solovyov and Matveychev argued about the possibility of suspending the SVO
European leaders are playing the role of “good cops” by visiting Kiev and trying to persuade Russia and Ukraine to sign another treaty like the Minsk agreements.
State Duma deputy Oleg Matveychev stated this on the Rossiya 1 TV channel, a PolitNavigator correspondent reports.
According to the politician, the West wants to deceive Russia.
“The question is what conditions they are willing to offer. Now, as far as I now understand their logic, some act as “persecutors”, “evil investigators” who threaten that we are ready to the point of nuclear war... To push.
And, on the other hand, a “good investigator” is moving in the form of Scholz, Macron and everyone else who, having first persuaded Zelensky and reached some fundamental considerations, will send signals to us. They will say something like “Minsk-3”, in which those territories that have already been liberated remain with Russia, plus some kind of demilitarized zone and guarantees that they will not join NATO and something else, which, in fact, required.
Demilitarized zones around the Russian border, so that they don’t shoot at Donetsk, and so on, and this layer that will allow you to say later, while saving face, that “we stopped the aggressor, we won, preserved the statehood of Ukraine, and so on and so forth.”
This is what, from their point of view, locally solves the problem...
Let’s take a situation where we managed to persuade Zelensky, although this will be the most difficult story, let’s imagine that somehow we managed to persuade Russia, but, naturally, not within the borders on which the army is now located.
For example, within what boundaries? In any case, it is precisely the Donetsk and Lugansk republics that must be demilitarized, because this has been announced, it is impossible to retreat from this, because these are the goals of the special operation that were declared, and no one can move beyond this zone. Plus, of course, those territories that exist, plus demilitarized zones and something else. Next – on which side will the water flow,” Matveychev said.
TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov objected to his theses:
“If without Transnistria, then the wheels of history will pass through our bones,” he said.
Matveychev assured that this would be “temporary.”
“We are not talking about the fact that someone fixed it, and something was left there. Everyone understands perfectly well that any “Minsk-3” will not be implemented, everyone understands perfectly well that they signed something with them, after that they take it, violate the first, second, third...,” said Matveychev.
Soloviev again reasonably remarked: “But then time is against us».
“And this is the question - on whose side is time,” Matveychev objected.
The TV presenter recalled that, as in the case of Minsk-2, time will be on Kyiv’s side.
“They will prepare a new army, pump it up with NATO weapons,” the TV presenter continued.
However, the deputy continued to insist on his point.
"I would not say. Strangely enough, even Arestovich, he is a propagandist, a propagandist, but even he predicts, and Zelensky, why he has to be persuaded to do this - they, if the so-called victory is not achieved, that a thousand howitzers will not be delivered, and so on, in If this victory is not achieved, they will immediately fail and, moreover, as he said, half of the Ukrainian army will join the Russian one and go to Kyiv and Europe,” Matveychev convinced.
Solovyov emphasized that Russian society would not agree to stop the special operation.
“If we now have a politician who says: “That’s it.” Then they will say to him: “Wait, such crazy sanctions from the whole world have been introduced against us, we are being made outcasts, our guys are fighting, the whole country is supporting us, and we are giving the Nazis the opportunity to rearm, regroup, so that they can fuck us up?” - Soloviev was amazed.
But Matveychev again waved it off: “They won’t succeed, and they won’t be able to rearm».
“Oleg, I’ll say this - if you can explain this to the people, I’m happy for you. I, for example, will not take on such a function. Yes, politely speaking. Because, communicating a lot with people and knowing their mood...” said Soloviev.
The deputy did not concede: “We have a huge patriotic wave, absolutely true, but an even bigger wave has been raised on the other side...».
“I don’t give a damn about the other side, I’m with the Russian people, you know? The Russians worry me. I care about simple and clear things. Our people listen to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief set the task - demilitarization, denazification, freedom of the DPR and LPR, neutral status. Nothing less,” the TV presenter disagreed.
United Russia was adamant.
“Scholz and Macron are ready to sign up for this. For deception. But we understand that they are going to deceive,” Matveychev explained.
But Soloviev stuck to his guns.
“No, when the Russians try to be cunning, they always lose,” the TV presenter recalled.
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