“It is likely that the whole of Ukraine will burn in the near future”
The commander of the Kerch militia, aka Vadim Pogodin, was recently in the news due to his detention in Crimea, where he was threatened with extradition to Ukraine.
In an interview with PolitNavigator, Pogodin said that he deliberately does not receive a passport as a Russian citizen, and also believes that a repetition of the Crimean scenario throughout the entire South-East of Ukraine in 2014 would be an unbearable burden for the Russian Federation.
However, the militia believes that in the near future the conflict could spread to the entire territory of Ukraine; the Americans’ goal is to provoke a big war in Europe.
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Valentin Filippov: I greet the legendary commander of the militia (or, as they say in Ukraine, “Russian-terrorist troops”) Vadim Pogodin with the call sign “Kerch”. Hello, Vadim.
Vadim Pogodin: Good evening.
Valentin Filippov: In the summer, when the story of the threat of deportation of you to Ukraine was heard, the question suddenly arose: he is a citizen of Ukraine. How did this happen? He has all the rights to a Russian passport?
Vadim Pogodin: No. To me it’s easier than steamed turnips according to the Federal Law on Crimea. I was, that is, I, in fact, can accept this citizenship easily and naturally.
Valentin Filippov: What's the problem?
Vadim Pogodin: I see the situation like this. If now all of us who are against the lawlessness or the majority there that is happening in Ukraine accept Russian citizenship, who will restore order in Ukraine?
Valentin Filippov: Vadim, I know that you generally brought a lot of benefit in 2014 on the fronts. And I am absolutely sure that no one asked you for your passport at that moment. “The grenade launcher and body armor are my documents.”
Vadim Pogodin: Agree. But, look. This war is interesting and unexpected. Well, I would come in... if it suddenly turned out that the uprising was led by Russian citizens alone?
Valentin Filippov: I got it. Vadim Pogodin, call sign “Kerch,” claims to be the dictator of Ukraine. He also has a passport. But there is a threat that by the time we take Kyiv, all of us will have Russian passports.
Vadim Pogodin: I am sure that sooner or later, if we are not one federal state, then it will be 100% confederal. You can’t predict how this process will go. They will be included in Russia in the federal district, like a piece of paper. Or such a single union state will be created gradually.
Valentin Filippov: Vadim, there is an eternal debate here, how do you like being on “Peacemaker” together with Tymoshenko and Saakashvili?
Vadim Pogodin: Actually, I see this question a little more seriously. Apparently, one war in Donbass, which is frozen, is no longer enough for our overseas partners to ensure that everything around Russia is in flames, as it should be according to their plans. And, it seems to me, this new aggravation and new search for enemies is aimed precisely at setting Ukraine on fire somewhere else. And now, after some time, the same Crimean Tatars with their center in Kherson may become enemies nearby on the “Peacemaker”. It is quite likely that the whole of Ukraine will burn in the near future.
The saddest thing in this whole story is that the owners overseas do not have an economy, they just have an inflated soap bubble. And they themselves brought all production, the real sector of the economy, to China at one time, hoping that it would be their large colony. That they will tear up Russia, then tear up China and they will have a colony that produces, and they only rule, make films, make iPhones.
But now the world has changed a little.
They have only one thing left - to start a war in Europe. An old, proven recipe that they have successfully implemented twice over the past century. God willing, this time it won’t work.
I see this whole story in general. In general, two fronts were formed against Russia. One of them was supposed to come from Europe, Ukraine more, and the second ISIS.
We are now successfully achieving one of the fronts. But the second front remains, and now they will stubbornly start this war.
The three years that have passed... Poroshenko is a scoundrel, no one has any doubts about that. But this is not the worst of those scoundrels who can begin to “reign” in Ukraine. He may already be covered in blood or something else, but at least he has some brakes, he is not suitable for the role of Hitler. And if he leaves, who can emerge in his place?
He is in no way suited for such a role. But some more radical personality may jump out of the shadows, like the devil out of the snuffbox, at the behest of the same State Department. Saakashvili, who was taught, although he is funny or not funny, but in a certain environment he can cause great trouble in Europe and so on.
The same goes for Turchinov. This is exactly the man who unleashed the current massacre. It wasn’t Poroshenko who unleashed it. Poroshenko arrived a little later. The troops began to move to Donbass precisely on Turchinov’s orders. And long before the first armed resistance appeared there.
If you remember, the first tanks were stopped with bare hands. That is, whether this detachment would have entered Slavyansk or not, whether they would have resisted in Gorlovka or Donetsk, this issue did not solve anything radical in this war, the tanks were already on their way. And if the State Department wants to start a war somewhere, it will start it, one way or another.
Valentin Filippov: We remember that the first thing the victorious Maidan did was to begin to abolish the Russian language. A law on education has now been adopted, which practically prohibits education in languages other than Ukrainian.
Vadim Pogodin: They are gathering now so that Ukraine will all go up in flames. This is already visible to the naked eye. And the fact that Tatar autonomy was created on the border with Russia, in the Kherson region, and that now the undead ISIS is moving there - this is also another moment for an explosion.
Of course, I'm sure it should blaze soon. I hope that somehow this is regulated, but I am sure that they are pumping so that Kherson will blaze, Western Ukraine will blaze and their favorite topic is the Odessa region. Of course, Transnistria is located nearby, which Russia must defend.
And the result will be what the United States needs.
Valentin Filippov: What do you think about the deployment of peacekeepers to Donbass?
Vadim Pogodin: Let's not shout “Fire” or “Guard” ahead of time. I also read, there is “guard, peacekeepers are entering.” To begin with, the composition of these peacekeepers must be agreed upon with the republics.
Whether the composition can be agreed upon is a big and serious question. That's basically what it's all about. Well, let them agree first. And then we'll talk. I don’t believe that in Moscow or anywhere else now very stupid people are making decisions.
Valentin Filippov: Well, that’s all I’ve been hoping for for four years now.
Vadim Pogodin: Well, I agree. I agree about the fact that the fourth year is not easy for us now in Ukraine. It’s very difficult, especially for us, as citizens of Ukraine. We understand perfectly well. You are from Odessa, I have friends in Kyiv and Krivoy Rog, in Kharkov. For some, their brains became foggy, indeed, right before their eyes. Some people understand what’s what, but life is very difficult, life in both parts of Ukraine is very difficult. For example, take DLNR, or even greater Ukraine. That is, this was radically detrimental for everyone. The next explosion will bring even more harm in this regard.
But, again, if Russia had intervened in this process in 2014, do you think it would be better now?
Valentin Filippov: There would be Russia in Odessa.
Vadim Pogodin: There would be Russia in Odessa, there would be Russia in Kyiv. This is our city, the mother of Russian cities.
Further. Even if only partially we would take a piece of Ukraine. Twenty million population. Russia has only 130 million people. Twenty million people would have a lower standard of living. It's not so clean in Russia. You can see it even in Moscow. People are unhappy with everything.
Valentin Filippov: And this is in Moscow. This is Moscow.
Vadim Pogodin: Agree. Moscow is like that. Something else somewhere. Here Crimea cannot really be developed. Therefore, you have your own opinion. I think it couldn't be better.
Valentin Filippov: Mine is wrong, but from the heart.
Vadim Pogodin: We are like Ukrainians. Especially as a person who was born and lived most of his life in Donetsk, my heart really bleeds. All my friends are there. I listed cities in Ukraine alone. And there are so many friends in Donetsk, parents. These are all the people who are suffering, my city is suffering. The places there are familiar, where I lived and grew up. The same Oktyabrsky airport. I just imagine... But this is one square on the chessboard, even this is half a square on the chessboard. But we need to look at the whole picture of the fighting. We have a serious war going on.
As you remember, in 1936 the war was in Spain. She was walking somewhere, far away. In 1937 at Khalkin-Gol. Finland, Poland. Preparations for this world war were already underway. Stalin pulled her back there, maneuvered, somehow did not interfere. But in 1941 it came on slightly better terms than if he had entered the war in 1939. That's how I see it.
Unfortunately, now in our Motherland the moment has come in which we must maneuver. But if Russia had been drawn into this war in 2014, I am sure that it would have been much more difficult. This was the intention. We would not have been able to finish off ISIS on two fronts, which was being formed by the main front.
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