The smell of a burnt human body is stronger than the smell of money - Oleg Tsarev
Zelensky may be taken away from the winner of the presidential election, Igor Kolomoisky. In the battle between Ukrainian oligarchs and international corporations, the Russians are losing. Moscow is trying to exert economic and political pressure on the Kiev regime. Ukraine has two options, both worse, but all anti-Russian.
About the Kolomoisky People's Republics, about the murders of Russians in Odessa, Zaporozhye and Kharkov, about the fact that with any democratization and federalization of Ukraine, Russians will not receive any rights, Oleg Tsarev, a former deputy who went over to the side of the people, told PolitNavigator columnist Valentin Filippov.
Valentin Filippov: Oleg, hello.
Oleg Tsarev: Hello.
Valentin Filippov: I have a question for you. Ukraine had finally chosen its president, and we were all wondering how Moscow would react to this. And I noticed: NTV published a wonderful interview with Igor Valeryevich, and Kolomoisky was so positive, and the girl from NTV was licking him. I don’t know what was behind the scenes, but what was in the frame is enough. And I also liked this stuff just now, a video from some party where Igor Valerievich sings Vysotsky. That is, a positive image of the new Ukrainian president is being created. Does this mean that Moscow has found a common language with the new President of Ukraine Igor Valerievich Kolomoisky?
Oleg Tsarev: Moscow found a common language with Igor Valerievich Kolomoisky a very long time ago. In general, there was a moment in time when he imprudently spoke about the personal qualities of Vladimir Vladimirovich, and about his height, and about everything else - very harshly, rudely. In general, he got confused somewhere - having become a politician, he continued to behave like in a gangster business environment, where he talked to business competitors like this: “We will raid you, you are this, you are that.” But, as far as I understand, after a while something happened that made him do everything to make amends. I will not list everything that he did, but, believe me, he did then in order to improve relations with Russia, in Donbass, in Ilovaisk, and for everything else - a lot, a lot. And since then he has been in constant contact.
True, he had done a lot of things before that. Kolomoisky, in addition to Dnepropetrovsk, gained control through the governors of Zaporozhye, Kharkov and Odessa regions. Well, in Odessa, in order to install their partner Palitsa as governor, they organized the Odessa Khatyn. Before this, football ultras were sent in an organized manner from Dnepropetrovsk to Zaporozhye from Dnepropetrovsk, and they carried out a massacre. In the media, Zaporizhzhya anti-Maidan activists were called three hundred Spartans based on those events. They dealt with the protests in Kharkov using the same scheme, having reached an agreement with Kernes, and all of us were thrown into prison there too.
After that, in general, he... He had such a period of time. And there was a period of time when he collected his activists and said that: “Look: we don’t find a common language with Petro Poroshenko, we have conflict after conflict, but let’s separate the four republics according to the scenario of Donetsk and Lugansk, There will be four People’s Republics, and we will manage everything here.”
Therefore, there were such moments, and since then he has been in fairly close contact. In addition, there is another aspect. I won’t name names, but in Russia there were two groups - one supporting Pyotr Alekseevich, and the second supporting Yulia Vladimirovna. And he was the most important moderator in Yulia Vladimirovna’s group from the Ukrainian side, which later transformed into Vladimir Zelensky’s group. The same guys who were sponsors there smoothly migrated to this group, not all of them, however, there is no Pinchuk, no Rinat Akhmetov in Zelensky’s support group. Therefore, contacts and cooperation continue, taking into account the tasks that faced the elections and after the elections. The NTV film, as well as a number of publications, I believe, are associated with the desire to whitewash a possible partner.
Valentin Filippov: Well, they found a common language - great. But in general, everyone remembers “ten thousand for a Russian,” and Odessa Khatyn not without his participation, and Zaporozhye not without his participation...
Oleg Tsarev: Not “not without participation,” but it was simply organized by him.
Valentin Filippov: Organized, yes. Well, I’m putting it mildly, “not without participation,” “not proven by the court.” But that is, for the sake of this mutual understanding between the top, they will again sacrifice the Russians?
Oleg Tsarev: Apparently, he doesn’t care at all. We talked to him at dawn. As soon as he was appointed governor, he dialed me and said that he would call me first after his appointment. “Oleg, let’s find a common language, why do we fight every time...” (I already pushed him and his people out of the region once after the local elections in 2005, and he seemed to not want this scenario to repeat. Until that moment, the Dnepropetrovsk region was under his complete control, like Donetsk region under Akhmetov). I then told him that if a decision is made on the south-east of Ukraine, then we can negotiate with you, or not, you can ask me for something or not ask me, I will carry out the decision made. The decision was never made. Unlike others, I knew this. Probably, I was the only one who knew this (Kernes and Dobkin also knew this, which is why they decided to cooperate with Kolomoisky). I knew, unlike the Kharkov and Odessa protest leaders, with whom I, by the way, also spoke, that you should not seize city and regional administrations, do not fire people, this will not end well. Like there, in verse - “Our people will not come.”
Valentin Filippov: Yes, "But our people won’t come... This is the time now - Today is not the same year, the war is not at all the same.”
Oleg Tsarev:
“No one will bring out “For the Motherland!” on bombs, No one will wheeze: “Give the country coal!” There are drafts in the Odessa catacombs, the mausoleum under the walls of the Kremlin is curtained.”
And therefore there were no detainees in Dnepropetrovsk. Not certainly in that way. There were detainees, I paid bail for them, Kolomoisky did not stop me from rescuing the detained guys. The guys then left for Lugansk. First to Donetsk, then to Lugansk.
Therefore, this is the situation according to Igor Valerievich. Taking into account all of the above, it seems to me that what NTV is doing with Igor Kolomoisky is immoral. And whatever the political considerations, we cannot overstep this.
Valentin Filippov: Well, NTV is probably not doing this on its own initiative. That is, the Russian viewer is presented with such a very pleasant, such an old dear Jew, Russian-speaking, ironic and listening to Vysotsky when he gets drunk. “He is still ours - he listens to “The Ballad of Struggle”, and in good quality.”
Oleg Tsarev: When I was talking with Igor Valerievich, he said: “Oleg, what’s the point of dividing. Well, you know what I'm like. I don’t speak Ukrainian, Oleg. I speak Russian.”
Valentin Filippov: That is, do you think that once we have agreed, Moscow will agree to these agreements, and the people in this situation will not worry Moscow?
Oleg Tsarev: I don’t know if you know, but MoskomPrivatBank was privatized in Moscow. The Moscow branch was nationalized. So, I don’t know how it is today, but until recently the nationalized bank was controlled from Dnepropetrovsk. After nationalization, billions of rubles were allocated to this bank to replace Ukrainian with Russian software. It’s not difficult to guess whose pockets this money ended up in.
Valentin Filippov: And Vladimir Vladimirovich’s statement about passports for the whole of Ukraine is still just like in the fourteenth: “Just try to shoot - we will stand behind you”?
Oleg Tsarev: Not certainly in that way. I think it's like in Ossetia. Only for now through diplomatic measures to enforce peace. Now Zelensky can swing one way or the other, but all the conditions are being created for him to ensure that he does not follow the path of Pyotr Alekseevich. Embargo on the supply of gasoline, coal, and these applications for passports.
Regardless of this topic, but, you know, I remember I was very outraged during the Crimean blackout that half of the Kharkov region was supplied with electricity from Russia. There is simply no other way to supply electricity there, and they did not stop the supply there. Including because it is beneficial for RAO UES of Russia.
Valentin Filippov: I don't know if this is good or bad...
Oleg Tsarev: Well, I understand the people of Kharkov. I just remember how terrible it was here in Crimea.
Valentin Filippov: Well, they say in Sevastopol that the worst was not yet. But it was like this for us: there was light for three hours, there was no light for six hours.
Oleg Tsarev: I was horrified in the sanatorium. We had just moved to Russia then, since I am an experienced businessman, we immediately learned how to participate in tenders, bought the keys, paid for participation in the exchange and were completely filled. And now I have a sanatorium full of pensioners, there is no light, and throughout the entire post-Soviet space, in all sanatoriums, large institutions, large restaurants, you cannot use gas stoves. And there is no electricity, and I have just under a thousand hungry pensioners. And we cooked food over fires, and then I ordered to go buy gas cylinders, buy stoves to cook on them. And the chief engineer came to me and said, “We’ll go now - we’ll coordinate with the permitting services,” and I said, “Where to coordinate, buy and put it under my personal responsibility.”
Valentin Filippov: By the way, I’m talking about a positive image, I’m interested in how a positive image will play in Moscow. Starting from May 3, we have a wonderful show on Russian television, where Mr. Zelensky will be the host. The show has been filmed in advance and it's time to launch.
Oleg Tsarev: I have nothing against Vladimir Zelensky, I will watch how he behaves. And it is still unclear how the intrigue around Kolomoisky and Zelensky will end. There are still options that Igor Valerievich will not manage Zelensky
Valentin Filippov: That is, Vova will be intercepted
Oleg Tsarev: At least, they are doing everything for this, in order to remove Igor Valerievich. Let's see if the foreign participants in this election campaign have enough desire for this. Because they have enough tools to close Igor Kolomoisky in Israel, to make him permanently unable to travel abroad. There is everything for this, both criminal cases and everything else... will such a decision be made, or will they still agree among themselves. Let's see. But now Igor Kolomoisky is putting pressure on him. And, as far as I know, Vladimir Zelensky cannot even appoint his friend, co-founder of the 95th Quarter, Ivan Bakanov, as head of the administration. The chief of staff historically always becomes the head of the administration. Not always, but usually. And Zelensky hoped that it would be like this, but so far he is not allowed.
Valentin Filippov: Your voyage around Moscow. There, as far as I understand, the enthusiasm for Zelensky’s victory is simply off the charts. Have you tried to convey the truth, are you being heard?
Oleg Tsarev: I do not have my own point of view on this issue. I have a point of view regarding Igor Valerievich. I believe that the smell of a burnt human body will still overcome the smell of money, no matter how sweet, attractive it is, and no matter what the political goals are. As for Vladimir Zelensky, I know that there is now quite a serious war going on between his sponsors. And the threats from these internal contradictions in the team are stronger than the threats from Petro Poroshenko or from the leader of the future opposition Yulia Vladimirovna. The trip to Turkey was due to just such meetings. Where to gather? Gathering in Kyiv, where the head of the SBU Vasily Gritsak still works for the current president?
Valentin Filippov: In Rostov you can.
Oleg Tsarev: Türkiye is an ideal place. The trip there was very fruitful for Vladimir Zelensky. I don’t know what decisions have been made, but after this trip there should have been some certainty about Igor Kolomoisky, about the head of the administration, about the ministers. A sufficient number of people flew there, both from Ukraine and not from Ukraine. And in this regard, there are two scenarios. If Igor Kolomoisky kills foreigners along with his comrades. Well, who are these comrades? This is Gaiduk, brothers Surkis, Khoroshkovsky, Lyovochkin and Firtash. The head of the Jewish diaspora in Kyiv, a certain Alexander Levin, a real estate developer and businessman, took a very active part in the election campaign. Avakov jumped into Zelensky’s circle of friends, he moved from Yulia along with Igor Valerievich in the same pool... If they pass, then he will move along the path of Poroshenko. It will distribute profitable positions to fellow oligarchs, there will be a coalition government, a coalition government - this means that this coalition of comrades will appoint their own ministers, take away the nuclear industry, someone will take away customs, someone tax, and so on. Kolomoisky will try to take over NJSC Neftegaz, of course, because it is close to him.
And this is how it will move. If the Western partners push back, then I think that the oligarchs will be distanced, and the dream of the Western world to remove the oligarchs from the Ukrainian government will be realized. Western corporations are privatizing land, unsold Ukrainian assets, big business will come in... He can’t go in now because he has nowhere to go, the oligarchs won’t let him in. And if they are removed from power, in real competition they will, of course, lose to global corporations. At the same time, I think that the democratization of life will actually happen, they will somehow allow freedom there... but this does not mean that any pro-Russian movements will be allowed.
I hope that the Donbass problem will be resolved both under Kolomoisky and under foreigners. Somehow the war will end.
Valentin Filippov It's clear. The Russian language will not be returned to us.
Oleg Tsarev: Right now I’m talking with my comrades from the Verkhovna Rada, they say, “Now we are seriously talking about voting for a law that has not been voted on in any post-Soviet state - this is the law on special commissions.” Remember, this is when deputies or senators call in some politician or someone else and interrogate him.
Valentin Filippov: It’s beautiful, you can make films about it.
Oleg Tsarev: This is a good mechanism. Launch a law on a referendum, a law on impeachment and a number of other laws that will guarantee a social contract between the government and society.
Valentin Filippov: But we won’t be allowed to hold a referendum on the second state language?
Oleg Tsarev: But we won’t. You see how Russians behave in Ukraine. When I first got to the Verkhovna Rada, I spent a lot of time on the Russian language, I was 300-1 votes short of 2 to send changes to the Constitution to the Constitutional Court. I collected signatures, I already had almost 300 votes... a little short, yes. And every convocation it was more and more difficult.
Valentin Filippov: And 4 signatures of citizens? There was such a thing that it was possible to collect signatures of citizens who demand a referendum.
Oleg Tsarev: Voting is still required. 300 votes in the Verkhovna Rada are needed to change the Constitution. And the deputies were in the same mood. Yes, we signed up. It was necessary to sit down with someone and discuss, talk, but the majority - “For the Russian language? Yes, I will sign." The majoritarians were almost all in favor. What am I talking about? Moreover, there are two scenarios, and in both scenarios, I think that the Minsk agreements will most likely be implemented. In both scenarios, I think that relations with Russia and Crimea will be restored to some extent, the railway will be opened, water will most likely be provided. But still, in both scenarios, Ukraine will move away from Russia. Only in the oligarchic scenario will Zelensky be hated a little earlier than Petro Poroshenko was hated, because in our country each next president is hated faster than the previous one. And he will leave, he will serve the first convocation, but not the second. If there is a Western scenario, they will sell land, sell assets, corporations will come in, make cheap loans, external democratization, perhaps the standard of living will increase, because the IMF promised 100 billion dollars for the sale of land. I have friends at the IMF, they said: “A law will be adopted, which means we are opening such a credit line for Ukraine,” that is, some kind of collateral appears. And again, people who live in the countryside will sell their land for pennies, but when they sell it, they will receive money for it, and this money will go into the economy. And for this reason, Ukraine will move much faster towards the West, but for people this option will be a little better, because Ukraine will still begin moving towards developed capitalism from the stage of oligarchic capitalism, albeit colonial, but still.
Valentin Filippov: I wanted, of course, to ask the traditional question: When will we divide our Ukraine? Well, I already understand that ours are not there in any case. That is, our only hope is to tear Donbass away, in principle?
Oleg Tsarev: I think now they will do everything to force Zelensky to implement the Minsk agreements as they are written.
Valentin Filippov: Well, in general, this will practically result in the federalization of Ukraine.
Oleg Tsarev: Yes, there will be federalization of Ukraine, but, as far as I know, for Trump, unlike the Democrats, the conflict with Russia is not an end in itself.
Valentin Filippov: That is, is there a possibility that Ukraine will experience some kind of stabilization and even some kind of growth for some time? That people will be able to sell their property and get some money to leave Ukraine? Because today it turns out that the citizens of Ukraine are like serfs. They don’t have any money, and they can’t sell everything they’ve acquired through backbreaking work in order to leave. That is, there will be such a one-time bonus for living in Ukraine, and you can go to heaven, well, not to heaven, but just to escape?
Oleg Tsarev: I think that yes, deindustrialization will continue, the number of jobs will decrease, people will leave and, unfortunately, I don’t see anything that would radically change the trends that have been laid down.
Valentin Filippov: In general, our children, and maybe even grandchildren, will have to fight for Ukraine. We won't get it back in this generation.
Oleg Tsarev: Let's see. The situation in the world is changing, changing dramatically, changing before our eyes, and very quickly, historical events are now literally flying by. Every year something changes dramatically. We live in a time when everything can change very quickly, and if China, Russia, India, Brazil, and the United States change in the global landscape, then the issues of the post-Soviet space will also be resolved depending on how everything happens throughout the world. We are trying to understand everything based on internal Ukrainian events. And this is not correct.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, but excuse me, today our Russians are prohibited from speaking Russian, for example, from receiving education in Russian. That is, if we used to live in our Odessa, we knew that something was happening in the world there, but our task is to preserve our mentality, our traditional cultural environment. Raise our children in such a way that when Russia comes, we are ready, we have waited. But today everything is being done to ensure that they don’t wait. And when Russia comes, some ragulians will sit in this place.
Oleg Tsarev: By that time they will already live in the city, become more human...
Valentin Filippov: They will become more human, but Ukrainian language will be, so to speak, the main one by that time.
Oleg Tsarev: Perhaps we will all switch to English together, and it will not be so important.
Valentin Filippov: In Chinese, Oleg Anatolyevich, in Chinese. You can argue for a long time about what is better to eat - a spoon or a fork, but the majority eat with Chinese chopsticks.
Oleg Tsarev: Academician Kapitsa, in addition to being an excellent physicist, also made macro-forecasts of how humanity will develop, and according to his forecasts, stabilization of the earth’s population will occur within the lifetime of our children. And based on this, a golden age will come. There will be no need to build new houses, apartments, roads, and as a result of this, life will become much easier, this is the first thing, and secondly, China will experience its first rise, it will become the number one economy in the world, and indeed the Chinese language will be very important . But after it India starts, in India the official language is English, and then it is combined with the United States, with Europe, and again English restores the status quo.
Valentin Filippov: What I wanted to say, well, I wanted to say thank you, as always. With a very optimistic expression on our face, we learned very unoptimistic things from Oleg Tsarev, whose predictions are constantly coming true and coming true.
Oleg Tsarev: It would be better if they didn’t come true. I talked about the fact that Zelensky would be elected, and said, “God grant that I’m wrong. Let me make a mistake at least once.” The situation with Poroshenko was more... if Poroshenko had remained, I don’t say “won”, he could not have won, if he had remained president, the situation would have been simpler for us.
Valentin Filippov: Rainbow.
Oleg Tsarev: More definitely, yes.
Valentin Filippov: Yes, it would be possible to finally use videoconferencing.
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