Alexander Borodai: Ukraine will still fall apart

Hereditary philosopher and soldier of the Empire. A political strategist and top manager who calculated geopolitical processes and ended up where he was needed. Crimea, Donbass, Russian Spring. Assassinations, clashes and the position of the leader of Novorossiya during the most critical period, when punitive battalions and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to break through the defenses of the People's Republics that had not yet risen to their feet. He doesn't have free time. Here and now Alexander Boroday spoke to a columnist PolitNavigator Valentin Filippov on the move and on the phone.

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Valentin Filippov:  Alexander, hello.

Alexander Boroday: Good afternoon.

Valentin Filippov:  A long time ago, in a past life in February-March 2014, did you know that everything would end in Crimea?  

Alexander Boroday: What does it mean “everything will end in Crimea”? In my opinion, everything was not limited to Crimea, somehow... If you mean the phenomenon that is now called the Russian Spring, then it was not limited to Crimea. Already in fact. Obviously. And, I think, it will not be limited. Because this is a broader, widespread phenomenon than just something related to the fact that Crimea returned to Russia. Although this was historically and legally predetermined, right? But the phenomenon is much more widespread. I believe that the Russian Spring is a certain part of the process of the revival of the Russian people, as the state-forming people of our Russian state.

Valentin Filippov:  I completely agree with you, but we live on Earth here and now. And people simply understand everything. Everyone was waiting for... This is the dragging of border posts, when people themselves came at night, dug up the posts and pulled them further. And everyone expected that things would go to Transnistria. Through Odessa. But it didn’t work.     

Alexander Boroday: Wait. What do you mean "didn't work"? It hasn't arrived yet! So to speak. I believe that historical processes are an irrevocable thing. There is a certain logic of historical development. And the resurgent Russian state, which, indeed, after, frankly speaking, losing in the Third World War, in the Cold War, found itself in a very difficult situation, it is now beginning to increase its power.

If this process is not interrupted in some very harsh and violent way, which, in my opinion, is unlikely, then the natural historical process will lead to the movement of the columns. One way or another. Legal, peaceful, or some other way. It doesn't matter which one. It will ultimately lead to the movement of the columns.

Valentin Filippov:  Globally, everything is correct, but...  

Alexander Boroday: This is a global process…. Which does not last for days, months. Yes? It may occur at some point in an explosive manner. Sharp. Then this process may slow down. And drag on for years.

You will remember how the Russian state gathered in the early Middle Ages. Once very quickly, with some territories. Once upon a time slower. Once upon a time, the process was rolled back a little. However, this movement is unstoppable. There is a common vector.

Valentin Filippov: Everything is strategically correct. We all knew this always. We just hoped in 2014 that all this would happen in our lifetime. And even at this age. And what else will we have time for? : )

Alexander Boroday: Well, I hope it happens in our lifetime.

Valentin Filippov: I really hope so too. But. Here are the events in Crimea and the Russian Spring. She called and mobilized everyone who could, who dreamed, who wanted... There is a Russian proverb, from the army. “A soldier without a job is a potential criminal.”      

Alexander Boroday: Well, yes! Naturally! Everyone knows her.

Valentin Filippov: What should people do? That's today. Those who have risen and do not know where to go...

Alexander Boroday: Got up and don’t know where to go? You mean volunteers? Not just some people, but volunteers, first of all?

Valentin Filippov: First of all, yes. First of all.   

Alexander Boroday: There are some volunteers who believe that they have done everything possible. And they return to peaceful life and peaceful pursuits. But, at the same time, maintaining readiness, if necessary, to get back into action. There are some volunteers who would like to continue the fight.

What should I do?

There are different forms and methods of struggle. There are different directions. And, moreover, people need to rest from time to time.

The state, society is a living organism.

Man is a living organism.

Everyone needs some respite.

Valentin Filippov:  Undoubtedly. But what if they decided to take a break? And the authorities tell them: “No, listen, you have no right to rest here.” Go to your Kherson or Kharkov. And rest easy there. Who are you? How did you end up here, what are your reasons? You're not even from Donetsk!

Alexander Boroday: Well, this is it, in my opinion…. Do you mean the process of returning those volunteers who came from other regions of Ukraine...

Valentin Filippov:  Not even a return. Maybe they wouldn't want to come back.    

Alexander Boroday: I understand that these people do not want to return. They have every right not to do this. In my opinion. Absolutely.

And, of course, I believe that the state should support them here. Because to return to a state that, according to its ideology, is Nazi. Which perceives them as criminals. They certainly can't. And here, the Russian state needs to take steps towards it. It’s just that the Russian state, like any bureaucratic machine, reacts to impulses rather slowly. But the task of public organizations, including the Union of Donbass Volunteers, is to ensure that the state responds faster, more accurately and correctly.

In other words, those volunteers who came from those territories that are under occupation power, puppet power, Kyiv power, they would have the right to Russian citizenship and all the corresponding state support.

Valentin Filippov: Well, you think this is just a bureaucratic mistake. But, look. A year ago it was stated: “come on, citizens of Ukraine, come to us, there is no need to fight, there is no need to be mobilized, there is no need to live in a fascist state.” And now the time has come and they say, “Well, it’s all over, you can leave.” What is meant? This is mistake? Or does the Russian leadership believe that the issue of Ukraine has been resolved, everything has been achieved, and Ukraine has been reformatted?  

Alexander Boroday: You understand, I cannot be responsible for the Russian leadership.

Valentin Filippov: I see.   

Alexander Boroday: I am not an official. Not being a government employee. I simply cannot comment on the point of view of the Russian state.

But.

In my opinion. It is obvious to any sane person that the situation, despite the fact that the Minsk agreements have somewhat dampened the intensity of the fighting in Donbass, the Ukrainian state has not been reformatted. It remains Nazi - “A”, and “B” - puppet. A state directly controlled by the West. First of all, the United States of America. Not even exactly the West, because the West is a general loose concept that includes Europe. Now that part of Ukraine that remains, because Ukraine, in fact, is already a collapsed state that has undergone destruction, and so that part of Ukraine that remains under Kyiv rule - there is a puppet government there, but in reality there is direct control of the United States. By the way, Russian officials are talking about this; I am not alone in this case. I looked at Lavrov’s comments on this matter. This, in fact, is the official position of the Russian authorities. In my opinion, Lavrov is just an official person.

Valentin Filippov: Alexander, although you are a Muscovite and a citizen of the Russian Federation, my region is not a stranger to you. Odessa, Transnistria.     

Alexander Boroday: As a participant in the Transnistrian war, of course!

Valentin Filippov: РќСѓ, РґР °!   

Alexander Boroday: This is my youth! Naturally! To put it mildly, Transnistria is not indifferent to me!

To be honest, I was in Odessa only once. Just after the war, I went to Odessa just to look at the city. This was in 1992 :) In August of 'XNUMX.

Valentin Filippov:  But, you know, as for the residents of Odessa, in 2014 they really hoped that you would come to see the city for the second time :)

Alexander Boroday: But I hoped too :)

Valentin Filippov:  But you went to see Donetsk 🙁

Alexander Boroday: Well, as you understand, I wanted to look at the city of Odessa while in Donetsk, but you always have to correlate your desires with reality.

Valentin Filippov: But tell me, we all understand that any Russian Spring can be successful if at least there is confusion in the regional elites. How did it happen that, according to your information, no work with the elites was carried out in Odessa?  

Alexander Boroday: Are you talking specifically about Odessa? It is very difficult for me to answer about a specific city.

Valentin Filippov:  I'm talking about the region. Because according to all the logic, according to the military, it seemed to me that after Crimea it was necessary to go to Odessa, through Kherson, like the sailor Zheleznyak :-), all the way to Transnistria, and then, firstly, there would be no problems with the blockade Transnistria, for today, and secondly, Ukraine would be cut off from the sea.  

Alexander Boroday: We all think of ourselves as big strategists, right? Like Shota Rustaveli, there is a wonderful phrase. It seems like “The Knight in the Skin of a Tiger.” Yes? “Everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside.”

So, here’s the story :)

This is a clear hint :)

Valentin Filippov: Certainly. But, we all want to come to us, first of all. Because we are the main ones in this World :) The World cannot live without us.

Alexander Boroday: It `s naturally. Natural phenomenon. I don't even want to argue with him. As for, in my opinion, the essence of the question, stated in a veiled form, I think you are asking why the remaining Ukraine...

Valentin Filippov: It didn't fall apart! 

Alexander Boroday: Didn't fall apart.

Valentin Filippov: Yes!   

Alexander Boroday: I understand correctly?

Valentin Filippov: Right! Because, according to my logic, it should have scattered in the spring of 2014 without any help from Alexander Borodai, for example. 

Alexander Boroday: You know, in my opinion, the colossal organizational and financial resources of the West, which did not allow Ukraine to simply fall apart, played a role here. That is why current Ukraine is a puppet state. A state run by a puppet government. A territory ruled by the West. United States of America. That is, the resource was used.

I'm not saying that the United States staged a Maidan. Now everyone understands that this is not entirely true. Another thing is that the situation that arose thanks to the Maidan was used by Western intelligence services, including US intelligence services, to maximize their influence on the territory of Ukraine. And, I must say, they succeeded a lot.

Valentin Filippov: Already interesting. 

Alexander Boroday: They “fastened”, if you like, the collapsing Ukraine.

Valentin Filippov:  Excuse me, but who organized the “Maidan” then?

Alexander Boroday: In my opinion, the “Maidan” was organized, excuse me, by Ukrainian oligarchs. First of all. And, naturally, there was accumulated discontent among the people. There was the Yanukovych clan, which was presumptuous and completely out of place, in my opinion, which upset the internal balance of the Ukrainian oligarchic elite.

Simply due to my own greed and stupidity.

Valentin Filippov:  It happened, yes.

Alexander Boroday: The balance was upset, after which the Ukrainian elite, using the discontent of the people, absolutely sincere, honest discontent of the people, demolished the Yanukovych regime.

Valentin Filippov:  Well, you know... You are much more informed…. But the fact is that, firstly, the “Maidan” has been rocking for years since 2011... It’s only been a year since Yanukovych came to power. This is the first. And secondly, well, who will go to the Maidan without a guarantee that the results of the Maidan will be recognized worldwide? This is complete idiocy, a year and a half before the presidential election, to demolish the president! Despite the fact that you say “complete dissatisfaction of the population.”

Alexander Boroday: Yes, the discontent of the population was colossal. Generally speaking, I can perfectly imagine how the people of Ukraine are tired of living under constant oligarchic shift changes for 23 years.

Valentin Filippov: This is yes.   

Alexander Boroday: With the constant struggle of clans.

Valentin Filippov:  But for us, Yanukovych, after all, was “pro-Russian”. Therefore half…..  

Alexander Boroday: Who is this for, “for us”?

Valentin Filippov: For the South-East, Yanukovych still remained the “lesser evil”, the population did not like him, did not want to support him, did not interfere..... 

Alexander Boroday: They didn’t love him, they despised him…. This is objective. In the Southeast. And in other parts of Ukraine they simply hated him.

Here the difference is no longer important, by and large.

As for Yanukovych’s “pro-Russianness,” then, excuse me, for me, a person who did not live in Ukraine, but regularly visited there on various matters, it was obvious that Yanukovych had no pro-Russian attitude.

Valentin Filippov:  This is understandable.

Alexander Boroday: And I think it was obvious not only to me. I'm not trying to make myself the only smart guy. Who saw the light and understood it :)

Valentin Filippov:  Undoubtedly. But the pro-Russian population of Ukraine, as it was imposed on us that Yanukovych was planted by Putin, believed that Putin should deal with Yanukovych.

Let him send another :)

There was nothing else :)

Alexander Boroday: Here you go. Sorry, of course. Yanukovych was imprisoned by Putin... I understand all this, yes...

Valentin Filippov:  Putin’s cult of personality :)

Alexander Boroday: Yes…. But, in my opinion, sometimes this cult of personality leads to a misunderstanding of the real situation.

Valentin Filippov:  In general, yes. Because from the Ukrainian point of view, Putin does everything.  

Alexander Boroday: Including causing rain :)

Valentin Filippov: This also happens. 

Alexander Boroday: And the sun rises, thanks to him.

With all my deepest respect for the President of the Russian Federation, one should not confuse him with Elijah the Prophet. Moreover, the Lord God.

Valentin Filippov:  Don’t, don’t convince them otherwise, let them be afraid :) This is the last thing they are afraid of. There is absolutely a logic there.

Alexander Boroday: 🙂

Valentin Filippov:  Okay, let's talk about your Union of Donbass Volunteers. What is it and why?

Alexander Boroday: I have already spoken about this many times, let me repeat myself, although many documents are posted on our website.

The Union of Donbass Volunteers is, I would like to say, a “veteran organization,” but the situation does not allow us to say so. Because “veteran” is an organization of those people who have finally fulfilled their mission.

This is the Union of Volunteers. A union of those who are ready to fight for Russia. For the Russian World. There is such a modern concept. It is quite vague, but, nevertheless, has a right to exist. Despite all the complaints against him - he has!

So, the Union of those people who fought in Donbass. At least they participated somehow. Some fought, some helped humanitarian. Someone participated as a specialist. As a doctor, for example.

This is the Union of those people who are related to this. Those who have now either returned or are returning from this war. Or they are going to return from this war. And, accordingly, they must somehow manage in internal Russian life. Because this Union is intended, first of all, for citizens of the Russian Federation.

Accordingly, since volunteers are a non-state concept, let’s put it this way. This is not a government employee. And in some cases, excuse the pathos, he performed his sacrificial feat not at the behest of the state, and accordingly, he was deprived of any state assistance. And that’s why volunteers should help each other. We must help ourselves. This is exactly the kind of help we are doing. In particular, we provide medical assistance to the wounded. In particular, we are trying to employ those people who have lost their jobs. We solve all sorts of other social problems. There are many of them, in fact.

Valentin Filippov: That is, the organization is exclusively social. 

Alexander Boroday: The post-war syndrome, in fact, has not been canceled. Yes. This is, first of all, a social humanitarian organization.

Valentin Filippov: Well, you have reassured many. Many were upset. Because you yourself said that the mission was not completed. 

Alexander Boroday: Yes. Mission failed. Yes. Certainly. The Volunteer Union is, to a certain extent, a mobilization resource. When volunteers are needed again, right now in the current situation, volunteers in Donbass are a slightly alien element. Since there is no active war going on, and the volunteers came precisely to fight. For the most part.

Therefore, most of them are an alien element due to the organization of society; it is not that it is rejected, it is simply not needed for the most part. With the exception of some individual specialists, already of a civilian profile.

Valentin Filippov: Forgive me, I’m speaking from my point of view, but you yourself said that volunteers should be given Russian citizenship. 

Alexander Boroday: Yes.

Valentin Filippov: There are volunteers...   

Alexander Boroday: No, wait. There are volunteers, and there are militias. Let's separate these two terms. Volunteers are those who came. From others...

Valentin Filippov:  From Odessa : )

Alexander Boroday: Those who came from Odessa are also volunteers. In fact.

Valentin Filippov: That's it! 

Alexander Boroday: And the militias are those who joined our ranks from among the local residents. Residents of Donbass.

Valentin Filippov:  Well, what I mean is that the concept of a volunteer is limited not only to Russia. There are even from Spain.

Alexander Boroday: There are volunteers from different countries. There are volunteers from regions of Ukraine occupied by the Kyiv junta. And these are also volunteers. And, of course, they need socialization in our society. And helping them is our task. And the first aid to them, the most important thing that needs to be provided, is the help that only the state can provide. Namely: to help them become citizens of the Russian Federation. Get the opportunity to live and work here in peace.

This is the most important aspect of our activities.

Well, as you understand, a public organization is capable of a certain kind of legal lobbying. And we, naturally, lobbied, and will continue to lobby, so that those citizens and persons who still have these little blue passports in their hands are terrible, right?

Valentin Filippov:  Yes.

Alexander Boroday: In my opinion, a state that no longer exists in reality could receive normal red passports with a double-headed eagle. Passports of the Russian Federation.

Valentin Filippov:  This is what I wanted to clarify :)

Alexander Boroday: Certainly. This is our task.

Valentin Filippov:  Alexander, I know that you are a very good specialist, I can’t even say in what area :)

Alexander Boroday: ABOUT! Yes! It's difficult :)

Valentin Filippov:   That's a PR man. That's a project manager. Something else. I've always been confused by these names.

Alexander Boroday: There is a general term, actually. A very general term is consulting.

Valentin Filippov: Well, that means giving advice.

Alexander Boroday: Absolutely right. This means giving advice.

Valentin Filippov: You wouldn’t succeed in anything in life, but you succeed, if you couldn’t foresee what would happen next.

Tell me, what will happen next to this land on which the state of Ukraine was previously located?

Do we have hope? 

Alexander Boroday: Yes, I believe that we have hope. And we have confidence. I hope that Russia will strengthen as a state. And accordingly, somehow include into your orbit more and more lands on which Russian people still live, by mentality and by blood.

Well, naturally, Ukraine, a significant part of this territory, is included in this orbit. That’s why, and not only that, I think so. And this is my hope and my forecast.

And there is one more fact. Ukraine as a state does not exist today. There is a territory that is held in a kind of unified subordination thanks to the organizational efforts of the West. In organizational, military and financial. All sorts of other things. The point is no longer important.

These efforts are not capable of undoing the historical process. At some point, Ukraine will fall apart anyway. All the same, the processes of decay continue. At some point they spill out into some kind of activity. At some point, for the world community, for public opinion, they seem to fade away. But, in fact, they are coming. They walk hidden, quietly. But they are coming.

And at some point we will be faced with the situation of the disintegration of Ukraine into its component parts. The rest of Ukraine. To the component parts.

Valentin Filippov: What's this? When will America not want to give more money? I'm not saying she'll run out of them. : )

Alexander Boroday: Well, no, they won't end. Maybe. But will there be a desire? If America loses the desire to constantly sponsor this whole thing, then it will end in a moment :)

But even if this desire does not disappear, the processes of collapse of the so-called Ukrainian statehood will continue. And money will not stop these processes. They can slow them down. We see how these processes, thanks to American money and other resources, have slowed down. This does not mean that the processes were canceled, removed, or disappeared.

They are walking, they are just walking slower than they would without this money.

Valentin Filippov:  And, unfortunately, people die.

Alexander Boroday: People continue to die. The Slavs are dying. From both sides of the confrontation. And this does not improve the climate in the remaining Kyiv Ukraine.

Valentin Filippov: OK then. Let's hope that everything will happen in our lifetime. We'll catch you. Thank you. Goodbye.

Alexander Boroday: My pleasure. Goodbye.